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The problem of writing on stone and paper

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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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So im reading this correctly there is life after death! Well that's just saved some folk the hassle of having to write a new book, a "bible" about life before and after death and all that other "Nonsense". There's something in that story of Light - -- just saying
www.independent.co.uk... ok-post
Oh and the problem of writing on stone and paper,it erodes making room for lots of interpretation
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posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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Yikes. Even after reading the link this thread makes very little sense.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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The link says there is brain activity for up to ten minutes. You would not expect every cell to die off simultaneously. After blood stops circulating the cells begin to die off for lack of oxygen, but there is residual oxygen in the blood that is still there ( It doesn't just disappear,) so you would expect a more gradual death just like a graph that slopes downward. Like a car that runs out of gas, it can coast forward for awhile before it stops, and the battery can keep electronic components going for much longer. We tend to claim that "death" occurs when we "run out of gas," but it is a much more gradual process.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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This is hardly what I'd call "life"!

I think it relates more to how we define death. Surely, even slight brain activity indicates that the person is not dead yet.

But words on stone and paper are our most enduring human legacy. We have translatable archaeological inscriptions that go back as far as 3,000 BC. The writing on those inscriptions may be worn, but is unchanged.

Similarly, ancient religious scrolls were revered and copies with errors were discarded as corrupt. None the less, a scroll written on animal skins in an indelible ink has a usable life of 800 to 900 years. This means that a temple scroll (the agreed pinnacle of scribal skill) in Jesus time was only the third copy from the original written by the hand of Moses. There are no 'thousands of copies' or copyist errors involved, as is popularly proclaimed by those who have no knowledge in the topic.

What does change is our language. The Words 'awful' (filling one with awe) and 'awesome' (filling one with awe) once had the same meaning (you can Google the etymology if you want), similarly 'priceless' and 'worthless' mean the same thing etymologically, but are opposites in common usage.

Our language also does not always change for the better. For example, the Ancient Greeks had at least 8 words for different types of love. Our language barely differentiates between sex and affection. For something as basic, common and meaningful, this is a great lack.

Our language tends to remove nuances and is poorer for it.

Although not exclusively for that reason, misinterpretation arises predominantly where someone ignorant pretends to be authoritative.

The truth is, most often, meaning is unequivocal. The context is usually clear, cultural nuances are notated and any reasonable writer will have clarified meanings so as not to be misunderstood.

All it takes is a will to discern true meaning. Unfortunately, that is beyond many commentators who are happy to decry a topic about which they have limited knowledge.

How you jumped from the fuzziness of a definition of death to a statement that writing "on stone and paper" might be misunderstood due to "erosion" is not exactly clear to me.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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So are you talking about the Bible?

If so then how would you, if your were God make sure your words would get to every generation of mankind, correctly in their language of their day?

The Bible says, God will preserve his words that had been purified 7 times and that he would preserve them to every generation forever. Ps 12:6, 7.

Now setting aside the paper and stone writings though the material brain dies the soul which is the person and all its knowledge continues because it is eternal.


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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 04:44 AM
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originally posted by: DpatC
a "bible" about life before and after death and all that other "Nonsense".

If its all 'nonsense', why bring up the issue when it has nothing to do with brain activity in a dying body ?

However, a mortal possessed by a nasty little demon would take this scientific fact and start having a go at Gods' Word.

Thanks for proving that Gods' Word is so very true. Grumpy demons; they are just so predictable.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

I have a question what exactly has God/Creator/Light/However you define it penned him/herself?
Not much you could probably write what the Creator has actually said on the back of a cigarette packet...
Oh btw Im not the creator or God, I would never make a claim like that,thats a completely different league (soul group) to what I'm in

Just saying

Oh speaking of Soul Groups, some of you may have read some of that #e wrote by Hidden hand - Anyone seem the Irish film The Commitments ? If not you should check it out it got Angels back blowing those "F""king" trumpets again. Something to do with Pslam 98 I think!
My family are back, its been a hell of a long time!
If hidden hand or any other Ra spiritualist bull# is reading this -- Guess whose returned - we told you - did you believe
In the meantime heres a link to the only soul group - The Commitments!
www.youtube.com...


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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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There is definitely life before born. And everyone of us has experienced it before. But we forget what life is. Will there be life after dead? Why not? Except, none of us alive now to ever experience it.
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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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Couldn't help but remember the following episode of 2 brain scans.
Normal Brain.


Brain of subject.


The following picture gives a little hint as to how brain activity never dies.

Ref: Episode 5 of Season 1, "Wildfire" of The Walking Dead.

Revelation 9.6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Rapha
Revelation 9.6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.

If this is true, then those who seek martyrdom will have a big problem, including the apostles like Peter, Paul, James, Andrews, etc.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
The link says there is brain activity for up to ten minutes. You would not expect every cell to die off simultaneously. After blood stops circulating the cells begin to die off for lack of oxygen, but there is residual oxygen in the blood that is still there ( It doesn't just disappear,) so you would expect a more gradual death just like a graph that slopes downward. Like a car that runs out of gas, it can coast forward for awhile before it stops, and the battery can keep electronic components going for much longer. We tend to claim that "death" occurs when we "run out of gas," but it is a much more gradual process.


Once everything in the bodies dies. The rebirth of the Phoenix can rise from the ashes.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: DpatC

God only wrote on stone once. I am sourcing it from the Authorized Version which I believe to be the preserved word of God as found in Psalm 12:6, 7

Ex 24:12 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.


Since then he used Moses and 44 other men to pen his words by inspiration. All these writings regardless of some superfluous errors are in complete harmony with each other.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: EasternShadow
If this is true, then those who seek martyrdom will have a big problem, including the apostles like Peter, Paul, James, Andrews, etc.

They spoke the true Gospel of Jesus Christ where His Blood Atonement on the cross was set to save every sinner from eternal damnation. So their spirits are in a paradise with Jesus right now.

During the 7 Year Tribulation, once the last sinning Christian gets murdered, who has faith from their heart and believes in Jesus Christ, then that will be the day that Revelation 9.6 becomes reality.

Those who then die a natural death will never die and roam this world as zombies. They will all be very angry which is why the scientist at the start of the film '28 Days Later' says, 'Its the Rage Virus'.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: EasternShadow

originally posted by: Rapha
Revelation 9.6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.

If this is true, then those who seek martyrdom will have a big problem, including the apostles like Peter, Paul, James, Andrews, etc.


Does anyone actually seek martyrdom? For instance, are there people travelling to the Middle East with the explicit hope of beheading by ISIS terrorists?

Also, are those who were martyred in the first century in the same period of time described as "in those days"?



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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Limbs have been known to twitch post-death too. Synapses are firing on a back log in your head or something. It doesn't mean you are still alive in some sort of ethereal state though.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
Does anyone actually seek martyrdom? For instance, are there people travelling to the Middle East with the explicit hope of beheading by ISIS terrorists?

Yes there were and there are. For instance, the apostles in the first century, the crusaders, the jihadist, the western who join terrorist rank in middle east, Taliban mujahideen, AL Qaeda, the terrorist daesh etc..


originally posted by: chr0naut
Also, are those who were martyred in the first century in the same period of time described as "in those days"?

The poster did not define, "In those days". Otherwise, his quote on Revelation is irrelevant, because it does not happen yet to constitute "writing on stone and paper" past and present.
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: EasternShadow

originally posted by: chr0naut
Does anyone actually seek martyrdom? For instance, are there people travelling to the Middle East with the explicit hope of beheading by ISIS terrorists?

Yes there were and there are. For instance, the apostles in the first century


... had a mission of spreading the Gospel, not to be executed.


the crusaders


... went for reasons of conquest, not death at the hands of their enemies.


the jihadist,


... ditto as above.


the western who join terrorist rank in middle east, Taliban mujahideen, AL Qaeda, the terrorist daesh etc..


Suicide is not martyrdom. Suicide is taking one's own life. Martyrdom is when another takes your life because you will not accept their beliefs or customs.


The poster did not define, "In those days". Otherwise, his quote on Revelation is irrelevant.


The passage from Revelation 9:6 clearly speaks of a time when suicide does not work for a significant portion of the population. Clearly, such a thing has not yet occurred.

If you read the passage in context, it speaks of a time after those who don't have God's mark on their forehead are "stung" (like a scorpion) by some sort of creature from "the smoke from the bottomless pit". The sting causes symptoms of agony (and perhaps paralysis and inability to communicate, which may explain the inability to commit suicide) lasting for five months.

Here is a link to an article on the Israeli Scorpion: Deathstalker From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which was probably in the mind of the writer.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
... had a mission of spreading the Gospel, not to be executed.

They were warned but they refused to flee or hide, as recommended by Bible. They were expecting martyrdom following the example of Jesus Christ.


originally posted by: chr0naut
... went for reasons of conquest, not death at the hands of their enemies.



We now hold out to you wars which contain the glorious reward of martyrdom, which will retain that title of praise now and forever.

Medieval Sourcebook: Urban II (1088-1099): Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, Five versions of the Speech

3.148 Pope Urban II and Pope Innocent III granted indulgence to all future Crusaders (martyrs of the Church)


originally posted by: chr0naut
Suicide is not martyrdom. Suicide is taking one's own life. Martyrdom is when another takes your life because you will not accept their beliefs or customs.

If they share the same belief as yours then we would not be experiencing terrorism and 9/11 at all. Millions of people from Afghanistan,Iraq, Syria, US and other parts of the world would still live today. But they dont. Do they?


originally posted by: chr0naut
The passage from Revelation 9:6 clearly speaks of a time when suicide does not work for a significant portion of the population. Clearly, such a thing has not yet occurred.

If you read the passage in context, it speaks of a time after those who don't have God's mark on their forehead are "stung" (like a scorpion) by some sort of creature from "the smoke from the bottomless pit". The sting causes symptoms of agony (and perhaps paralysis and inability to communicate, which may explain the inability to commit suicide) lasting for five months.


Interesting but irrelevant because we could not attribute that prediction as comparable and observable evidence to "life after death writing in stone and paper"
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posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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Most of us now take for granted that we can read. It wasn't always the case. Literacy wasn't always so common and neither were books or scrolls either even if you could read.

I think the idea that God would write down anything on any material and expect that to be enough is pretty short sighted.

Most people wouldn't even know how to read it nor would there be enough copies to pass it around if they could. This is why the church dominated so easily for so long. They held the Word that was the gate people needed to pass through. (Or so the church said.) Everyone just had to take the churches word for it and do what they were told. Even kings and rulers needed the grace of the church for the grace of God. (According to the church once again.)

I think either that passage that talks about Preserving the Word is a metaphor or something other than literal. Since even if that was possible, it doesn't do much good if only a small portion of the population can even read it anyway.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 02:46 AM
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Leonardo DeCaprio told me in a dream, or maybe it was a movie, that the few minutes of brain activity after death can play out as an eternity...

Hoping when I die the brain is not intact.. Because Leo was right. I get awoke from intense multi day dreams completely revolving around and inspired by the single sound that awoke me. That's how quick months of played out dream world can happen, in a split second.

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