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originally posted by: DpatC
a "bible" about life before and after death and all that other "Nonsense".
originally posted by: Rapha
Revelation 9.6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.
originally posted by: schuyler
The link says there is brain activity for up to ten minutes. You would not expect every cell to die off simultaneously. After blood stops circulating the cells begin to die off for lack of oxygen, but there is residual oxygen in the blood that is still there ( It doesn't just disappear,) so you would expect a more gradual death just like a graph that slopes downward. Like a car that runs out of gas, it can coast forward for awhile before it stops, and the battery can keep electronic components going for much longer. We tend to claim that "death" occurs when we "run out of gas," but it is a much more gradual process.
Ex 24:12 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
originally posted by: EasternShadow
If this is true, then those who seek martyrdom will have a big problem, including the apostles like Peter, Paul, James, Andrews, etc.
originally posted by: EasternShadow
originally posted by: Rapha
Revelation 9.6
In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.
If this is true, then those who seek martyrdom will have a big problem, including the apostles like Peter, Paul, James, Andrews, etc.
originally posted by: chr0naut
Does anyone actually seek martyrdom? For instance, are there people travelling to the Middle East with the explicit hope of beheading by ISIS terrorists?
originally posted by: chr0naut
Also, are those who were martyred in the first century in the same period of time described as "in those days"?
originally posted by: EasternShadow
originally posted by: chr0naut
Does anyone actually seek martyrdom? For instance, are there people travelling to the Middle East with the explicit hope of beheading by ISIS terrorists?
Yes there were and there are. For instance, the apostles in the first century
the crusaders
the jihadist,
the western who join terrorist rank in middle east, Taliban mujahideen, AL Qaeda, the terrorist daesh etc..
The poster did not define, "In those days". Otherwise, his quote on Revelation is irrelevant.
originally posted by: chr0naut
... had a mission of spreading the Gospel, not to be executed.
originally posted by: chr0naut
... went for reasons of conquest, not death at the hands of their enemies.
We now hold out to you wars which contain the glorious reward of martyrdom, which will retain that title of praise now and forever.
originally posted by: chr0naut
Suicide is not martyrdom. Suicide is taking one's own life. Martyrdom is when another takes your life because you will not accept their beliefs or customs.
originally posted by: chr0naut
The passage from Revelation 9:6 clearly speaks of a time when suicide does not work for a significant portion of the population. Clearly, such a thing has not yet occurred.
If you read the passage in context, it speaks of a time after those who don't have God's mark on their forehead are "stung" (like a scorpion) by some sort of creature from "the smoke from the bottomless pit". The sting causes symptoms of agony (and perhaps paralysis and inability to communicate, which may explain the inability to commit suicide) lasting for five months.