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North Korea just launched an ICBM - CONFIRMED.

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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 04:22 AM
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Neither side wants a nuclear war. For the US, it's millions dead in South Korea and Japan, for China, it's a land border of refugees and conflict, for North Korea, it's the end. Unfortunately, it is still a possible outcome.

Kim Jong-un has strengthened his own position domestically, and he's done it very well. He's left the US with few options, all of them bad. Nuclear war would just be a disaster, sanctions are pointless, engagement hasn't worked, and the US flexing its muscle with it's own military drills is just more ammunition for Kim.

To make matters worse, China and Russia are capitalizing on the situation by suggesting the US reduce their military presence in the peninsula to help calm the tension. Obviously there's nothing they'd like better than to see the US out of South Korea. For the US, another terrible option.

Realistically has others have pointed out, it might be a case of having to live with North Korea as a thorn in the side, just an even bigger thorn. It feels as if military action as a response has been taken off the table (despite the posturing), and there's not much the US can do. However given the personalities involved, literally anything could happen.




posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 04:53 AM
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AP - Kim vows North Korea's nukes are not on negotiation table


SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Un vowed Wednesday his nation will "demonstrate its mettle to the U.S." and never put its weapons programs up for negotiations, a day after test-launching its first intercontinental ballistic missile. The hard line suggests more tests are being prepared as the country tries to perfect nuclear-armed missiles capable of striking anywhere in the United States.

Tuesday's ICBM launch, confirmed by U.S. and South Korean officials, is a milestone in North Korea's efforts to develop long-range missiles with nuclear warheads. It isn't there yet - some analysts suggest it will take several more years and many more tests to perfect such an arsenal - but a successful launch of an ICBM has long been seen as a red line after which it would only be a matter of time if North Korea isn't stopped.

Worry spread in Washington and at the United Nations, where the United States, Japan and South Korea requested an emergency U.N. Security Council session on Wednesday. U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson confirmed that the missile was an ICBM and said the U.S. response would include "stronger measures to hold the DPRK accountable," using the acronym for the nation's formal name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

The uproar only seemed to inspire North Korea, whose propaganda machine rarely fails to aggrandize its leader and its military or to thumb its nose at rivals Seoul and Washington.


Click link for full article...

Unfortunately, I dont think was is going to be avoided.


The report said Kim "stressed that the protracted showdown with the U.S. imperialists has reached its final phase and it is the time for the DPRK to demonstrate its mettle to the U.S., which is testing its will in defiance of its warning."

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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: crappiekat
Interesting map.

fingfx.thomsonreuters.com...

Is China going to allow this behavior?


China is allowing that as we speak. Apart of the question how Kim's "impoverished, secluded regime" achieved tech to shoot missile at altitude of 2800 km or 6-7 times higher than the orbit of ISS

(The ISS maintains an orbit with an altitude of between 330 and 435 km (205 and 270 mi) by means of reboost manoeuvres using the engines of the Zvezda module or visiting spacecraft.en.wikipedia.org...)

North Korea is a space power, not only nuclear.
Also, the estimates of the number of nukes are grossly miscalculated, if we are talking now of several dozen officially.

When we watched the last North Korean parade showing two new missiles (the other one remarkably similar to Topol), I had two pinned threads maintained with the latest news and images (plus my priceless thoughts). And as a "thank you" I received accusation by someone ....of being North Korean unpaid troll...Hope now no one thinks what the world media shows to be anymore anyone's troll. It is a fact shown in broad daylight. North Korea is now perhaps better equipped than USA during the time of Kennedy and the Cuban crisis.

I bet China wouldn't move a finger, except in case USA launches attack on North Korea, so China could take strategic advantage of the situation. Not so much for the sake of the North, but for its own sake. Let not forget the recent standoff with US warship in South China Sea and US arms deals with Taiwan, when we calculate where China really stands. May be this time Trump's tweet is somewhat closer to the truth,...

As of Russia, do we think it is a coincidence that the ICBM test comes at the precise time when Putin and Xi meet? Russia already offered way out: trade North Korea's nukes for THAAD...And let remember that THAAD and ABM were the main problem between USA and Russia.



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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Thank you for your reply.

I am a newbie to this subject. So I am learning. (please be gentle)

So your saying N. Korea is a puppet for China and Russia?

Meaning China and Russia are saying to N. Korea, Do as we say or we will destroy you?

Why would they want that, if they have the natural resources to survive on their own?

I got this info from Hound dog in another thread.
www.businessinsider.com...




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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: crappiekat

thank you for the gentle answer...
And greetings for your newbie steps in this subject!

In fact, I took the incentive from your post with the map, to develop my own perspective to the forum, not just answer or dispute with you. Well I use to do that kind of lengthy posts all the time...

May be North Korea is not just a puppet. Historically, NK has passed thru periods when it was more advanced than China. But yes, as I watch the supermodern computers of Kim, and his space center with hundreds of specialists that looks larger than those of NASA on movies, inevitably I think he has been helped by the big brother.

I don't think that Russia has anything to do to urge North Korea. But you see, if we have a standoff between Russia and USA, China and USA, several major treaties between Russia, China, India to balance the US controlled world, then we should think of the bigger picture that will evolve from a regional situation in Koreas. Chinese official already warned some months ago, it will go out of the region. I don't know whether or not Kim is urged by anyone to do anything. Instead both China and Russia vote UNSC resolutions against NK. But...to think they play the US side is not exactly the case.


Furthermore, there are influential people on all sides, including US, who actually want nuclear war, and think it is winnable.
Assymetrical war is a possibility too. Everyone expects NK artillery fire on Seoul, or at worst some attempt of missiles reaching the US bases or even Seattle and prepare THAAD and Aegis to neutralize them. While North Korea may do an EMP attack on USA via satellite, or submarine laucnhed missile near the shores. One of the many hypothetical possibilities. We all, me included, may be surprised when the real case scenario unfolds.
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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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According to RT, North Korea has just fired a new type of missile from a new location. No more details, I assume we will learn more as we go.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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Apologies, they have since amended and it was regarding the missile launch yesterday.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Thank you again for your reply.

I understand more than I thought.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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Update:

Top missile experts are now claiming this latest launched showed the ability that North Korea has the ability to attach a nuclear payload and deliver it.

It's far more advanced than most claimed, and they're much further ahead than the US/SK military gave them credit for being.

This is a very serious situation.

twitter.com...
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posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: xstealth
Update:

Top missile experts are now claiming this latest launched showed the ability that North Korea has the ability to attach a nuclear payload and deliver it.

It's far more advanced than most claimed, and they're much further ahead than the US/SK military gave them credit for being.

This is a very serious situation.

twitter.com...


Slash our intel agency budget.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: LightAssassin
a reply to: Blaine91555

Could he not land it near the coast of the US in the ocean, detonate it, and wreak havoc with a man-made tsunami? I figure that would be more effective, and also require to be less accurate.


I have no idea what the answer to that would be. I do know that an EMP can cause a lot of problems. Major problems.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: fleabit

Thanks for the welcome message.

You're right, this sort of rhetoric is nothing new. It seems to flare up each time a new US president takes office. I think it's just the way they like to introduce themselves to our new head of state.

Look, if they were so keen on blowing up the world they would've done it already. South Korea is just a stones throw away. You'd think they would've thrown the first punch at them by now if they believed what they were saying. The public arena wants us all to believe that these two are mortal enemies. They aren't. In fact, I think they want to find a way to reunite. But for whatever reason, all political I'm sure, it's better for it to appear that these two states are at war. Ask a South Korean what they think, and most just shrug it off as a pissing contest between the US and NK. They're the ones that stand to be most affected by NK going nuke, but they're not at all worried. ( My in-laws are all from there, so when I ask them they don't seem worried that anything could happen)

North Korea is a shell of an actual country. And many South Koreans still have relatives over there. They see them as Korean just like themselves, not North vs South, and want a reunification. All of this nonsense we see in the media seems to be just that - made for TV drama.... but like I said, then there's the Trump card

Anyway... good to be here posting.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Blaine91555

The problem is that it's not just us. If war with the North breaks out South Korea and Japan are going to get hammered. We can't act unilaterally when through South is going to take brutal casualties and lose so much of their infrastructure.


It's a tough problem I agree. However if NK succeeds and carries through with their threats, what follows will be much worse I'm afraid.

I suspect China would just sit the whole thing out, other than looking for covert ways to benefit from it. All in all, the world would be better off if China just took NK over.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

For that to appear out of nowhere I would bet it was a gift. Now who would give NK a ICBM?



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

I think China would be forced to intervene, or at least have a say in this. I don't see things going well for anyone who thinks they can attack NK unilaterally. And by anyone, I mean the US. I tend to think the US prefers to have China deal with the nuisance that is NK.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: Blaine91555

That's why it's been allowed to fester instead of doing something. China doesn't want a US ally on their v border, and South Korea wouldn't be happy with China claiming the North. There's no good solution. The best idea I've seen is allow the two to unify, but make the north part of the country, near the Chinese border a DMZ. But even that's not a good solution.



posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: Justso

If there is a world war 3 America will win. I understand why you think the US would not, but there are things that the U.S. can do that no other country can.



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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So do people actually think he's going to fire the first shot?

That family is rich and a war isn't going to be buying them any more yachts or whatever, or expensive cheese flown in from France...I think the love of cheese is greater than the hate of the west.

Iran might have been crazy enough to start something first but North Korea isn't religious so...



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 05:03 AM
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a reply to: xstealth

North Korea issue is about China

Not North Korea

They ARE part of nuclear club

Regardless, so is China by the way



posted on Jul, 6 2017 @ 05:05 AM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: Justso

If there is a world war 3 America will win. I understand why you think the US would not, but there are things that the U.S. can do that no other country can.


Win what ?

A wasteland

How badly you underestimate tenacity of your perceived enemy







 
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