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originally posted by: bananashooter
there wasn't much going on there that I could see....
originally posted by: DanteGaland
Wernher von Braun (German ROCKET dude) was invited to BOHEMIAN GROVE before he died.
I wonder WHY...
originally posted by: audubon
a reply to: BStoltman
It's interesting, and the 11 day calculation is unarguable. What is missing from the theory being proposed is information on whether St John's Eve was celebrated with much vigour in the pre-US colonies. If it was, that could (n.b., could) provide an explanation for the 'usurping' of what was already a celebration, in a similar way to that in which the US and UK version of Christmas usurped earlier pagan celebrations held in December.
But against this, we'd also need documentary evidence that the St John's Eve celebrations in the pre-US colonies were moved to July 4 when the Gregorian calendar replaced the Julian calender, which was 25 years before the DoI was enacted.
And John Adams predicted that the DoI would be remembered for the date on which it was passed at vote, which was July 2. Which suggests that he, at least, didn't have July 4 in mind. This cuts against the idea that July 4 was pre-ordained.
TL;DR - it's plausible that Independence Day replaced an existing midsummer festival, but the evidence is thin and scanty, and at least one of the signatories (who was a key force in declaring independence) didn't seem to notice the potential for replacing the old festival. As for them being undercover druids, no way.