It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Trump aiming to cut food stamps and starve poor, mostly African Americans

page: 10
12
<< 7  8  9    11  12 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:18 PM
link   
a reply to: 2Baaka

Calling someone a liar is an attack...in some countries thats a fast way to start a fight. (no thats not a threat, its a statement of fact)

Nobody I saw stated everyone games the system, but if you think its fair and legal for the scenario I laid out... For a common law married couple with expensive toys to be on snap... and an airmen living paycheck to paycheck could not get snap making 25k a year take home...

I do not know what to say...


After this though..




Haven't read through the entire thread and already know what I'll find if I do: Caucasians who live in a stolen country, living off a system implemented by their forefathers which utilized stolen black labor to enrich the country. And create a global system called white supremacy which gives most Caucasians worth a darn the cheat code to life. If you're white and can't succeed in this society, you truly are a piece of work lol.


I really do not know what to say... you have a lot of hate inside you I strongly suggest you go find a therapist to talk to.




posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:32 PM
link   
a reply to: 2Baaka

In answer to your questions:

If you wish to compare yourself to a dog; please be my guest.

If you wish to play the tired victim card; please be my guest.

'....many blacks choose to partake in nefarious activities to get their piece of the American pie'. You are right; a disproportionate amount of blacks 'choose' crime and a state-handout lifestyle. I chose years of education and a good paying job; Go figure.

'Let us ask the native American's were it blacks or Caucasians who decimated them?' I could ask who sold their own people into slavery but that would be rude.......So I won't.

Murder, rape and drug crime. Do you care to guess which countries have the highest rates of the aforementioned crimes? I will let you go and look it up- I can wait.

Do you care to guess which countries receive the most foreign aid? ( free hand-outs anyone?) I will let you go and look it up- I can wait.

Do some research on human evolution....To use your vernacular.....' LMAO.' Remember the 'library' and its wonderland of knowledge?'

Opps! Sorry; Books be racist!

Blacks built the pyramids 'cos.....er......' cos melanin and we beez descendants of alien Gawds and sheet.

Blacks invented everything (including sun-block) and whitey stole it!

Your own self-loathing and your blatant hatred of the white-man is very obvious; along with your self-serving justification that whitey did it in the past, thus I can do it now, to balance the scales.

This is fun.....Care to play again?



edit on 4-7-2017 by Smellthecoffee because: Facts be racist bro.'

edit on 4-7-2017 by Smellthecoffee because: My computer types in white- White letters be symbols of white opression



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:35 PM
link   
a reply to: 2Baaka

I'm not lying... I've seen people pay for hundreds of dollars in groceries with an EBT card and then drive away in a $100,000 luxury automobile.

I've seen it MANY times and there are plenty of people who can back up that claim.

Take your blinders off man.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:41 PM
link   

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: 2Baaka

I'm not lying... I've seen people pay for hundreds of dollars in groceries with an EBT card and then drive away in a $100,000 luxury automobile.

I've seen it MANY times and there are plenty of people who can back up that claim.

Take your blinders off man.



I've seen it too, dozens of times

The low IQ of the 'left' allows them to put their fingers in their ears and say "that NEVER happens, people ONLY claim benefits when they truly need them" or even dumber "people don't want to be on a benefit, they want to support themselves ", which is an outright LIE

I hope this is only the beginning of faaaaar more welfare cuts to follow



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 05:56 PM
link   

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: 2Baaka

I'm not lying... I've seen people pay for hundreds of dollars in groceries with an EBT card and then drive away in a $100,000 luxury automobile.

I've seen it MANY times and there are plenty of people who can back up that claim.

Take your blinders off man.



I've seen it too, dozens of times

The low IQ of the 'left' allows them to put their fingers in their ears and say "that NEVER happens, people ONLY claim benefits when they truly need them" or even dumber "people don't want to be on a benefit, they want to support themselves ", which is an outright LIE

I hope this is only the beginning of faaaaar more welfare cuts to follow





You know the welfare users are not the real reason the economy is failing, perhaps instead of berating people for having low IQ you could learn a little more yourself how things really work in this world.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:21 PM
link   
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

People who are perfectly capable humans, scamming the system for thousands of dollars in support, are in fact, a parasitic drag on the economy.

Whether or not it's the biggest culprit is beside the point... each issue must be tackled.

The fact that you can't figure this out for yourself is exactly why he berates about having low IQ.



edit on 4-7-2017 by MarkOfTheV because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:22 PM
link   

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw
From what i understand the SNAP card receives whatever money a person is qualified for. Not multiple cards for the same individual. If its SNAP only then food is the ONLY thing its capable of being used for. There's gov blocks in place that prevent its use for other things encoded in the card number or magnetic strip.


The way it works from what I've seen with my card is that you ring something up at a card terminal and it will give you a food option or a cash option. The options always appear, but the transaction will only succeed if you have that type of account. Depending on the terminal you need enough to cover the purchase, with some it will apply as much as possible and charge the rest, and with others it only works if you can fully cover the purchase. In the case of my anecdote though, the woman and the clerk were having a conversation where they agreed to ring the lottery tickets up as food.



A friend of mine who is single, on disability, and not working was given $30/mo for food. That's insane. You can't live on $30/mo. Her disability income covered rent, utilities, bus fare, and some household goods/hygeine products leaving nothing left towards food. She was relying on fs for her entire food budget.


About 4 years ago, the amounts were drastically reduced. What you just described is what the situation was like for me until very recently (mine was $70/month to eat). To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how people even have the money to ring food stamps up as other items, and even when they do, the amounts are so small that I don't see where all the abuse is coming from. SNAP doesn't really exist to support adults, it's designed mostly so that children don't go hungry. Yet, we haven't seen any indication despite this abuse that children are going hungry, and having lots of kids is the only way you can have a high SNAP allotment.



Those who are disabled, fine. But even the disabled can help themselves through sustainable methods of food assistance beyond mere money.


I'm not so sure about that. I'm disabled myself. I've put in a lot of time in school to get to the point where I can get by without assistance, and I'm nearly there. If I had to spend a bunch of time growing food in order to feed myself, I would have no time to actually better myself and get to a position where I can afford to buy food.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:23 PM
link   
When I saw this, it is time we looked at this fully and take into consideration a few facts that should be mentioned and is never discussed in the same debate:

The food program, the forerunner of the SNAP program was started in 1933, during a time when the world was in the middle of the great depression. It was put forth by the FDR administration to assist people in having something to eat, especially the children. And back then there was reason, due to the dust bowl destroying the land, making food production to be at an all-time low, in short the bread basket was empty.
It had several problems the first was the competition/conflicts between different groups and agencies doing the same thing, and in 1939 it was changed and further streamlined to where it was organized, with very specific things that could and could not be bought, and that the money was only used for the purchase of food and some household items. In 1943, with the ending of the wary, and the economic boon, the program was discontinued.
In 1961, JFK reintroduced the program, where it was used as part of a pilot program. It was part of the welfare system, where a part of the money a person would get from welfare, would be used to pay into the system, and thus there was still a restriction on what could be purchased, but it was more inclusive of different foods, where before it was not. In 1964, President Johnson, passed the Food Stamp Act II. This was to stream line the overproduction of food, to improve the nutrition of those who were poor and to strengthen the agricultural economy as well. And in the process was now the amount was determined by what a person would require for food at the time and to have a healthy meal. And it required that the store wanting to use such be licensed.
1977 It removed that the person buy the stamps.
1980’s The Regan administration cut the program, and reflectively there was a sharp increase in the number of hungry people in the USA.
The program eventually went from stamps to actual card, the EBT card, and the renaming to SNAP.

Now who all this affects more: Ultimately it affects everyone in all 50 states. While we could argue about it affecting one group or another, the saddest part of all is that it does affect everyone, both those on and those not on it. It would be reflective in areas like health care, and the ER’s. A child starving, means that the Child Protection agency, could get involved and now you are having to pay for a child, whose parents only real problem is that they could not feed said child. And that is going to be a burden on the state and the tax payers.

Course then there is the work aspect, and now one gets to the problem of the kinds of jobs and what they pay. People are divided when it comes to the question of a living wage, and paying a worker such. It would not be surprising to find that some people work a 40 hour week if not more and still require food stamps, cause their job does not pay enough. There are reports about some major retailers, such as Walmart, has been reported, that pay their people the bare min, keeping them below the full time mark, to save a few bucks, and those workers still requiring assistance. And then you look at some cities around the country, such as New York, and San Francisco, where the rents are very high and the wages are low, and it makes it even harder for a person to survive.
Now here is another point that many fail to see or consider, that is as much as part of this debate as any, and it is the abortion debate. Yes it is a hot topic, but food stamps should be also considered in that. Any politician that is against abortion, funny how they want to ban abortions, and yet they do not discuss about what about after the woman gives birth, about things like feeding, clothing and raising said child. So one gets both and then will act shocked when child mortality starts to raise for poor nutrition.
Then there is the politicians, who never use common sense or things like say actual science, are all putting their 2 cents in, yet have not had to live on or rely on food stamps. They can afford the food that many people would like to. And yet they make claims, that are based on myth and lies, and yet say nothing for the truth and when the truth does come out, have usually wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars for such. Any remember the drug test welfare people, how many people were caught? Less than the number they were hoping for. And then they act like they know about nutrition and then ban the most nutritious foods.
Then there is the actual states that tend to use the most for such, and funny how it is the strong Republican states, that are all on the top 10, and it is primary the south and gulf coast states, showing it affect all.

Are there problems with the program, yes. Is the answer to these problems cutting it? No.
While I do not have the answers, I do think that the entire program should be reviewed fully, and that we should take a lesson from the past, that there should be some restrictions on what could and could not be purchased with such, to include limiting the stores where such could be used. I also think that in addition for people getting such, there should also be education that goes along with such, including basic cooking classes, home economics, financial, and job training and helping people get jobs.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:24 PM
link   

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: 2Baaka

So you think money should be going to a family that can actually afford a highly expensive vehicle... Heck on active duty I could not afford an escalade and several people on this website have said on a number of occasions that military are over paid.

I have known Airmen E-3 with a wife and 2 kids that could not get food stamps... driving a beat up old car because that was all they could afford.

In case that was to subtle... If you can afford (back in 07) a 60k dollar car... you do not need to be on food stamps.. period that is gaming the system.

These are people that live together... have children together... they are married in all ways except the court house...



Someone with a expensive car means nothing, that is a depreciating asset. Also, if it isn't that persons it definitely means nothing. What happens if the mate leaves? What is that person left with and what can they legally receive?

As a veteran you should know that food is taken care of by BAH.

Being married in any way beside legally in court means that in the event of a break up you get nothing.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:30 PM
link   

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: 2Baaka

Calling someone a liar is an attack...in some countries thats a fast way to start a fight. (no thats not a threat, its a statement of fact)

Nobody I saw stated everyone games the system, but if you think its fair and legal for the scenario I laid out... For a common law married couple with expensive toys to be on snap... and an airmen living paycheck to paycheck could not get snap making 25k a year take home...

I do not know what to say...


After this though..




Haven't read through the entire thread and already know what I'll find if I do: Caucasians who live in a stolen country, living off a system implemented by their forefathers which utilized stolen black labor to enrich the country. And create a global system called white supremacy which gives most Caucasians worth a darn the cheat code to life. If you're white and can't succeed in this society, you truly are a piece of work lol.


I really do not know what to say... you have a lot of hate inside you I strongly suggest you go find a therapist to talk to.


Yes, $25k for a household of 2 maybe outside the lines for SNAP approval.

I have absolutely no hate in me. Just stating facts.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:31 PM
link   
a reply to: Kali74

apparently you don't understand what game the system means



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 06:59 PM
link   
a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Welfare rorters are scum there is no debating that, I'm dumpling pointing out they ate not the reason the economy is tanking.

If you think the welfare theives are the cause yes you have a low IQ



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:07 PM
link   

originally posted by: Smellthecoffee
a reply to: 2Baaka

In answer to your questions:

If you wish to compare yourself to a dog; please be my guest.

If you wish to play the tired victim card; please be my guest.

'....many blacks choose to partake in nefarious activities to get their piece of the American pie'. You are right; a disproportionate amount of blacks 'choose' crime and a state-handout lifestyle. I chose years of education and a good paying job; Go figure.

'Let us ask the native American's were it blacks or Caucasians who decimated them?' I could ask who sold their own people into slavery but that would be rude.......So I won't.

Murder, rape and drug crime. Do you care to guess which countries have the highest rates of the aforementioned crimes? I will let you go and look it up- I can wait.

Do you care to guess which countries receive the most foreign aid? ( free hand-outs anyone?) I will let you go and look it up- I can wait.

Do some research on human evolution....To use your vernacular.....' LMAO.' Remember the 'library' and its wonderland of knowledge?'

Opps! Sorry; Books be racist!

Blacks built the pyramids 'cos.....er......' cos melanin and we beez descendants of alien Gawds and sheet.

Blacks invented everything (including sun-block) and whitey stole it!

Your own self-loathing and your blatant hatred of the white-man is very obvious; along with your self-serving justification that whitey did it in the past, thus I can do it now, to balance the scales.

This is fun.....Care to play again?




Indeed, this is fun! Nothing brings greater satisfaction than informing the miseducated.

Firstly, it was an analogy not comparison. I'm sure you're aware, just chose to deflect it because...well because it takes some of your fun away.

Second, "victim card", never that. Stating facts should not be equated to such a thing.

You chose education and a good job, great. The problem occurs when a black person does the same but due to race aren't allowed the same result. Simply because they reside outside the lines of white supremacy.

Exactly WHO sold their own people? Were it English selling Frenchmen? Or was it Ashanti selling Bantu? Lol...in case you missed it I just schooled you on a point your books didn't teach you. There are a thousand African ethnicities...gasp! Much in the same manner that a German isn't a Russain. So there was no "selling of THEIR own people.

"Murder, rape, and drug crime"...I would suppose the highest occurrences are in ***gasp*** poor countries! Countries outside the inner circle of white supremacy. Common sense would tell me that. No need to look anything up.

Receive foreign aid...LMAO! If that's the case, why are these countries not up to par yet? A better more pertinent question is, how are these countries so resource wealthy yet still poor? Can we mouth the term THEFT. And one more thing, why does a certain alliance of Nations insist upon installing their hand picked leaders in pisitions of power in these countries? To the point where they will assassinate the leaders chosen by these countries?

Evolution...lol...perhaps certain people evolved...mine did not.

The stuff about pyramids devolved into basically, "I have nothing so lets deflect and mumble".

I can do this all day...

I'll await the deletion of my posts because of the truth.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:10 PM
link   

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw
From what i understand the SNAP card receives whatever money a person is qualified for. Not multiple cards for the same individual. If its SNAP only then food is the ONLY thing its capable of being used for. There's gov blocks in place that prevent its use for other things encoded in the card number or magnetic strip.


The way it works from what I've seen with my card is that you ring something up at a card terminal and it will give you a food option or a cash option. The options always appear, but the transaction will only succeed if you have that type of account. Depending on the terminal you need enough to cover the purchase, with some it will apply as much as possible and charge the rest, and with others it only works if you can fully cover the purchase. In the case of my anecdote though, the woman and the clerk were having a conversation where they agreed to ring the lottery tickets up as food.



A friend of mine who is single, on disability, and not working was given $30/mo for food. That's insane. You can't live on $30/mo. Her disability income covered rent, utilities, bus fare, and some household goods/hygeine products leaving nothing left towards food. She was relying on fs for her entire food budget.


About 4 years ago, the amounts were drastically reduced. What you just described is what the situation was like for me until very recently (mine was $70/month to eat). To be perfectly honest, I have no idea how people even have the money to ring food stamps up as other items, and even when they do, the amounts are so small that I don't see where all the abuse is coming from. SNAP doesn't really exist to support adults, it's designed mostly so that children don't go hungry. Yet, we haven't seen any indication despite this abuse that children are going hungry, and having lots of kids is the only way you can have a high SNAP allotment.



Those who are disabled, fine. But even the disabled can help themselves through sustainable methods of food assistance beyond mere money.


I'm not so sure about that. I'm disabled myself. I've put in a lot of time in school to get to the point where I can get by without assistance, and I'm nearly there. If I had to spend a bunch of time growing food in order to feed myself, I would have no time to actually better myself and get to a position where I can afford to buy food.


Yes, my friend has a garden in Indiana and during the spring and summer he has no time for anything else.

My theory comes from an indoor small garden and small fish/bug farm. Large enough to feed a family of 4 but small enough to do it in an apartment. Of course the keyword here is THEORY... i have no experience to back it up but is something i want to do for myself.

I understand disability... i have my own limitations and i hate the idea of not being able to do stuff for myself. I guess that's why i think of self reliance as being important for those who are disabled. It can be frustrating when you want to accomplish something and feel like you can't.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:12 PM
link   

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: 2Baaka

I'm not lying... I've seen people pay for hundreds of dollars in groceries with an EBT card and then drive away in a $100,000 luxury automobile.

I've seen it MANY times and there are plenty of people who can back up that claim.

Take your blinders off man.




Were either of the items even theirs? Was it their parents car? Their friends ebt?



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:13 PM
link   

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: 2Baaka

I'm not lying... I've seen people pay for hundreds of dollars in groceries with an EBT card and then drive away in a $100,000 luxury automobile.

I've seen it MANY times and there are plenty of people who can back up that claim.

Take your blinders off man.



I've seen it too, dozens of times

The low IQ of the 'left' allows them to put their fingers in their ears and say "that NEVER happens, people ONLY claim benefits when they truly need them" or even dumber "people don't want to be on a benefit, they want to support themselves ", which is an outright LIE

I hope this is only the beginning of faaaaar more welfare cuts to follow



Was it their car or card?



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:13 PM
link   

originally posted by: 2Baaka

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: 2Baaka

So you think money should be going to a family that can actually afford a highly expensive vehicle... Heck on active duty I could not afford an escalade and several people on this website have said on a number of occasions that military are over paid.

I have known Airmen E-3 with a wife and 2 kids that could not get food stamps... driving a beat up old car because that was all they could afford.

In case that was to subtle... If you can afford (back in 07) a 60k dollar car... you do not need to be on food stamps.. period that is gaming the system.

These are people that live together... have children together... they are married in all ways except the court house...



Someone with a expensive car means nothing, that is a depreciating asset. Also, if it isn't that persons it definitely means nothing. What happens if the mate leaves? What is that person left with and what can they legally receive?

As a veteran you should know that food is taken care of by BAH.

Being married in any way beside legally in court means that in the event of a break up you get nothing.


And whose fault is that if someone insisted on less than the full legality then? Of course, then you have a two income household to consider and might lose your benefits. The welfare state disincentivizes smart behavior like marriage in favor of creating permanent poor choices and lifelong state dependents. The state is daddy now.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:15 PM
link   

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

People who are perfectly capable humans, scamming the system for thousands of dollars in support, are in fact, a parasitic drag on the economy.

Whether or not it's the biggest culprit is beside the point... each issue must be tackled.

The fact that you can't figure this out for yourself is exactly why he berates about having low IQ.





No, "the system" IS the actual issue.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:16 PM
link   

originally posted by: 2Baaka

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

People who are perfectly capable humans, scamming the system for thousands of dollars in support, are in fact, a parasitic drag on the economy.

Whether or not it's the biggest culprit is beside the point... each issue must be tackled.

The fact that you can't figure this out for yourself is exactly why he berates about having low IQ.





No, "the system" IS the actual issue.



posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:20 PM
link   
a reply to: allsee4eye

What a bunch of crap. Just because black people are on food stamps does not mean this is racist. There are white people on food stamps too. Geez, enough of the race card already. It helps no one and accomplishes nothing.

Every time a black person does not get a promotion does not mean they are victims of racism, even if a white person does get a promotion. Maybe, just maybe, the white person earned it and the black person didn't. The inability to see that possibility IS racist.




top topics



 
12
<< 7  8  9    11  12 >>

log in

join