I know, nobody is banning any flag......

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CONFEDERATE STREET NAMES STIR DEBATE IN ... NEW YORK CITY?

NEW YORK (AP) -- Two of the Confederate Army's best-known leaders have streets named for them in a place not normally associated with the Southern side of the Civil War - New York City. Now some elected officials are trying to undo it. They say it's high time Stonewall Jackson Drive and General Lee Avenue in Brooklyn are renamed, pushing to join a number of Southern cities that have removed or are considering taking down Confederate statues and other memorials in public places. "To honor these men who believed in the ideology of white supremacy and fought to maintain the institution of slavery constitutes a grievous insult to the many thousands of people in Brooklyn who are descendants of the slaves held in bondage," says a letter sent to Army Secretary Robert Speer recently by Reps. Yvette Clarke, Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velazquez and Hakeem Jeffries, members of Congress who all represent parts of the borough.

Yes, it's come time that History, (actually just the kind that looks a bit ugly) needs to be erased. This is a bit beyond banning a flag, this is the systematic removal of anything remotely related to the civil war. And who knows, in 15 years, perhaps those who speak of the civil war will be laughed at and ridiculed for believing in such a wild crazy lie.

When I speak of snowflakes and SJW's, these are the ones I mean. Pasty, frail, sad individuals who are so mentally inadequate, that even the mention of slavery makes then feel like a bowl of jello. Sadly, history really did happen, and trying to erase the parts you see won't erase the facts. At least not for several years. Sleep well snowflakes, you will get you way if you keep flailing and crying like you are. Bitches.

It's ridiculous.

Did Robert E. Lee own slaves? Yes, but there is a far more complicated picture of slave ownership than first meets the eye. It was wrong, but a lot of slave owners knew that. Their dilemma was in how to end the institution. They were very aware of the dependencies that had been created and the social upheavals that would ensue if the slaves were just turned loose out of the blue.

And I am not talking about "OMG! They'll rape our women ..." I am talking about an entire class of people wholly unprepared for life as they were and the dilemma of how best to prepare them for independent life. There actually were slave owners who were pondering how best to do it.

But I digress.

Lee is one of the most highly regarded generals in history. If we are constantly told that person's sexuality does not detract from all else they do, which is true, then a fantastic general is still a fantastic general quite aside from the other aspects of his life and he is worthy of remembrance for that. After all, Lincoln made sure that Lee ended his life still an American, and Lee himself did not want to secede from the union, but once that had happened, he felt honor bound to fight for his state, hearth and home like so many other Southerners whose memories are unfairly maligned.

The problem is that so many people today hate to hear about the unflattering and ugly aspects of that time. Yes, it makes us uncomfortable to remember the difficulties of our shared past, but if we don't, we can look forward to repeating them.

a reply to: ketsuko

I just can't comprehend where this will end. George Washington owned slaves. Does that mean we need to rename DC? Do we need to remove all the monuments bearing old GW's name and likeness? Exactly what kind of weakness does it take to need to have a street name removed due to "feelings"? Will these pansies get triggered by a word or a statue?

a reply to: network dude

"Will these pansies get triggered by a word or a statue?"

Yes! Yes they will!

We are watching our civilization and cultures being destroyed right before our eyes, the world could be burning down all around them, yet? Something offends us, so we have to kick and scream and throw tantrums until someone allows us to have our way.

I am not a religious man, but I truly hope that the book of Revelations will soon be upon us to end the madness.

Perhaps New York could be more modern and rename the two street something like the 83 Gangster Crips or the 9 Tray Bloods. See that would be complete up to date with no connotations of slavery.

a reply to: network dude

How soon the Yankees forget...

Slavery ended in the South before it ended in New York.

When the towers fell, one of the first to arrive to help was... Alabama.

It really doesn't matter, though. I have said for years now that, according to prophesy, the US would not play a major role in WWIII. I still believe that. What I could not say is why, and the answer to that is becoming clearer and clearer. It won't be due to an economic collapse... it won't be because of an invasion from another country. It will be civil war, but not like the 1860s. Back then, men took up arms and donned uniforms to fight on the field of battle.

This time, there will be no uniforms. This time it will be pure chaos. Look out your window. The neighbor who you are going to grill out with this 4th? He might be the one to suddenly take pot shots that kill your spouse or children in front of your eyes. Or maybe he'll be the one who takes someone else out before they can take those shots. Who knows? The car that just drove by your house? They might be the ones who run your children's school bus off the road, hospitalizing everyone aboard. Or they might be the ones to intercept the car that tries to do so. Who knows?

For years, I have warned that the hatred and intolerance among us was going to land us in a civil war if not stopped. I hereby retract those warnings. This is gone too far to turn back now. The war has already started. I know not how long it will be before it reaches from sea to bloody sea, but it cannot be stopped. Today is not the day to work for peace; today is the day to prepare for survival.

I no longer care what NYC calls its streets. It's just a reference, a way to let dispatch know where the fighting has spread to. The actual name is irrelevant.

TheRedneck

a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.


Just pointing out similarities.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.


Just pointing out similarities.

Thats about rewriting the past, de educating populations about their history and heritage. Over there, ISIS is just following orders.

Over here we see it in acton too, disappearing the past so future generations won't ask, "Who was Stonewall Jackson"?

Oh, he was a part of a rebel alliance that resisted federal gubment interference in states autonomy.

A Brave New World comes to mind, as well as 1984....

a reply to: TheRedneck

Totaly agree but I think we are beginning to see the start of an economic collapse component to this scenario. Illinois is near bankruptcy, Mass and ME are in the same boat. States are starting to fail and this could lead to another banking crises.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.


Just pointing out similarities.

this

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ketsuko

I just can't comprehend where this will end. George Washington owned slaves. Does that mean we need to rename DC? Do we need to remove all the monuments bearing old GW's name and likeness? Exactly what kind of weakness does it take to need to have a street name removed due to "feelings"? Will these pansies get triggered by a word or a statue?

so let's see 12 foot high statues of America's first black president (Obama) all over the deep south in front of state government buildings.....a true sign of bringing this country together

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.


Just pointing out similarities.

Thats about rewriting the past, de educating populations about their history and heritage. Over there, ISIS is just following orders.

Over here we see it in acton too, disappearing the past so future generations won't ask, "Who was Stonewall Jackson"?

Oh, he was a part of a rebel alliance that resisted federal gubment interference in states autonomy.

would you say that if black masters owned white people as slaves for 400 years?....would you fight for generals engaged in a war to keep white people in slavery?.....I guess your answer would be a resounding YES!!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.


Just pointing out similarities.

TOUCHE'T....... absolutely, lest we not perceive the injustice.

a reply to: network dude

They are street names for god's sake. Doesn't matter what you name them, it's not erasing history.

a reply to: jimmyx

too bad the big o was not the first black president
ask his mama

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ketsuko

I just can't comprehend where this will end. George Washington owned slaves. Does that mean we need to rename DC? Do we need to remove all the monuments bearing old GW's name and likeness? Exactly what kind of weakness does it take to need to have a street name removed due to "feelings"? Will these pansies get triggered by a word or a statue?

so let's see 12 foot high statues of America's first black president (Obama) all over the deep south in front of state government buildings.....a true sign of bringing this country together

Haha, the South is white, the statues are bronze (lol) of the Bush family.

Lulz, bronze white people

a reply to: introvert

Doesn't matter what you name them, it's not erasing history.

Then why rename them? The first 'alteration' to the historical record of the "Civil" war was the name "Civil". The second was hi lighting the issue of slavery over every other grievance the south had, and the third is the steady elimination of reminders like the southern flag and now lol, street names.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

ISIS destroys temples and anything that offends them also.

Just pointing out similarities.

Blowing up temples and statues vs. moving statues to museums or renaming street names.
Yeah pretty similiar.