Trump's 'feds' now in Chicago to fight gun violence 'epidemic'

originally posted by: vor78

originally posted by: RayRay1991
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Federal troops in the cities now and you guys are cheering? Are you insane? First they came for those with guns.... And I said nothing....

This isn't a new precedent or anything. BATF agents have been operating all over the country for a very long time. This is just a reallocation of additional agents, prosecutors and related assets into Chicago to hopefully get the wave of firearm-related crime under better control.

Trump should send troops into all the gang banger hideouts and raid them. Just issue an ultimatum and give them a chance to surrender. If they don't comply wipe them all out. I'm sick and tired that criminal behavior is tolerated just because. Perhaps even go after all the wannabe gangsters who advocate the thug life and indoctrinate children to become a gang banger in the first place. It's clear that the current methods don't work at all.

originally posted by: Plotus
Illinois is on the verge of monetary collapse. You are only seeing the beginning.

Here is a genius idea. Go after all the criminals and seize everything and reinvest it into the infrastructure of the state. Quit tolerating criminal behavior. The bleeding heart approach needs to end.

originally posted by: CB328

Obama did such a great job with Chicago. By demoralizing law enforcement and looking out for the misunderstood criminals. Chicago has become one of if not the most deadly lawless places in the United States. The gun control works very well if you're goals are to destabilize and bring about total anarchy

Nice try blaming innner-city crappiness on Obama. It's been like that long before he came into office, to say otherwise is lying or stupidity.

And Chicago overturned their gun control in 2012 yet there's more shootings than ever. Your argument shows that you know nothing about the topic, why are you even posting on it?

You think that the fact that Chicago is a sanctuary city, the Mayor supports the illegal activity doesn't have anything to do with it?

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel speaks at a news conference in Chicago, saying that the outcome of the presidential election will not change Chicago's commitment as a sanctuary city for immigrants.

In all fairness Obama tried to deport illegals in Chicago but came up against resistance. Enter TRUMP!

Sanctuary City Timeline

a reply to: Perfectenemy

Part of me can sympathize with that, but I'm not quite ready to go that far. The main problem is that cities like Chicago turn these guys loose after just a few short years in prison. Some would be surprised at how many of these homicides are being committed by repeat offenders. This is where we DO need a change in the laws, with mandatory long-term (20 year?) minimums for commission of any felony while in immediate possession of a firearm and nothing less than a life term if that firearm is used in any way during the commission of a crime. The bottomline is that they need to start locking these guys up and throwing them under the jail when they catch them, rather than turning them out to make room for some pissant petty thief or pot smoker who isn't a threat to public safety as these gangbangers are.

originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Part of me can sympathize with that, but I'm not quite ready to go that far. The main problem is that cities like Chicago turn these guys loose after just a few short years in prison. Some would be surprised at how many of these homicides are being committed by repeat offenders. This is where we DO need a change in the laws, with mandatory long-term (20 year?) minimums for commission of any felony while in immediate possession of a firearm and nothing less than a life term if that firearm is used in any way during the commission of a crime. The bottomline is that they need to start locking these guys up and throwing them under the jail when they catch them, rather than turning them out to make room for some pissant petty thief or pot smoker who isn't a threat to public safety as these gangbangers are.

The young wannabe gangsters are ready to go to jail for some high ranking gang members. That's the whole problem with just sending them to jail. It's just not enough. I'm not really familiar with being a part of the whole gang culture and if someone would try to recruit me i would probably just kill'em all and move on. Maybe it's my personal experience with gangs. I pissed someone off without even noticing and he came after me for years. I got beaten up and had put a gun to my head but i just befriended someone who he was afraid of and that was the end of it. You can see why i hate gangs with a passion.

20 ATF agents have been deployed to Chicago

www.washingtontimes.com...

a reply to: allsee4eye

It's really a simple problem to fix. A lot of the violence comes from people on welfare commiting crime because they don't have enough money. Make the welfare checks big enough so they can have an honest living from that income and the crime rate will go way down.

I am of the mindset that humanitarian efforts as a response to crime is seriously misguided.

Yes, justice is messed up and mistakes are made, but rapists, pedophiles, murderers (as in coldblooded not accidental), and other heavy offenders including human trafficking should be killed. Don't allow the drain on society.

Money crimes = free labor until the debt is repaid. Fraud, theft, etc.

Drug crimes not including "soft" drugs like marijuana should be treated as medical patients rather than criminals. Sellers fall under monetary crime.

Prostitution should be legalized and protected not because it's a good job but because it's stupid to put people in jail for sex yet permit porn. Double standards like this are just a waste of jail space.

Minor offenses = community service/imprisonment, including "soft" drug crime.

Prison/community service max time is 5yrs.

Death penalties are carried out within 3yrs of sentencing giving plenty of opportunity for appeals.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
This is welcome news for the people of Chicago.
Why didn't Obama do this years ago?...It's going to be a long battle, as it is.

Because if Obama had done this he would have to admit there was a problem.

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: IAMTAT
This is welcome news for the people of Chicago.
Why didn't Obama do this years ago?...It's going to be a long battle, as it is.

Because if Obama had done this he would have to admit there was a problem.

Wasn't he from there? Why would he turn a blind eye to something from his own turf?

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

He was from Hawaii, he moved to Chicago because they elect democrats.
Hillary ran in New York for the same reason.
Michelle was from Chicago though.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

He was from Hawaii, he moved to Chicago because they elect democrats.
Hillary ran in New York for the same reason.
Michelle was from Chicago though.

Even more reason to call attention to a problem...

If my husband were prez i would expect him to do something to make my home town safer if possible. But of course it's just about votes and no one really cares about the people. They're just pawns for tptb to play with.

Seems like a political ax to grind since Chicago violence gets everyone's attention, but it is not America's murder capital.

Oh well.

originally posted by: daskakik
Seems like a political ax to grind since Chicago violence gets everyone's attention, but it is not America's murder capital.

Oh well.

Care to elaborate? You have an interesting opinion.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Why weren't they already there? Oh yes, the FBI, DEA and ATF all have offices there. I guess Trump is sending the Super Feds.

Maybe Trump has good intentions but what are 20 agents going to exactly do.

The congress won't do anything about gun control or its enforcement.

They won't outlaw gangs.

They need an army on the street, what will 20 feds do about massive street crime?


They probably need to attack the crime there on several levels not just send in Eliot Ness.

originally posted by: Willtell
Maybe Trump has good intentions but what are 20 agents going to exactly do.

The congress won't do anything about gun control or its enforcement.

They won't outlaw gangs.

They need an army on the street, What will 20 feds do about massive street crime?


They probably need to attack the crime there on several levels not just send in Eliot Ness.

Sure... just declare martial law...

originally posted by: AkontaDarkpaw
Care to elaborate? You have an interesting opinion.

Per capita murder rates are higher in about 7 other US cities but none of them are getting the attention that Chicago is getting.

The link between chicago and obama is obvious, so obvious that people are bringing it up in this very thread.

The only way this will work is if you profile. We all know who is committing the shootings. When you start pulling over cars of black males, late at night, the ACLU and BLM will be up in arms. I say, tough. Profile the hell out of the thugs and put an end to the senseless violence. People are literally being killed for speaking badly about people who have been killed. Anyone familiar with Tooka?

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort
The only way this will work is if you profile. We all know who is committing the shootings. When you start pulling over cars of black males, late at night, the ACLU and BLM will be up in arms. I say, tough. Profile the hell out of the thugs and put an end to the senseless violence. People are literally being killed for speaking badly about people who have been killed. Anyone familiar with Tooka?

I always wondered why the # we allow gang culture to exist in the first place. They don't benefit society in any way. There initiation rituals are often linked to a murder of an innocent person to prove their loyalty and people just accept it. Btw # the ACLU. I hope they get their asses handed to them in all the moronic law suits they will represent. They are nothing but vultures who prey on gullible people.

I wished all the unhinged persons out there would target gang bangers,drug dealers,cartel members or other criminal elements instead of innocent people. They would do us a huge favor in taking them out. We have to reduce the world population at some point so why not start with them.