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Hard work does not pay off.

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posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 08:38 PM
a reply to: deadlyhope

I will tell you one simple truth, if you are going to work hard, do it for YOURSELF, not working for someone else. If you work hard as an employee, most likely all you are going to do is make someone else successful. That's the secret of hard work, make sure the hard work you do benefits YOU, not a boss. The other truth is, no matter what you might think, your employer doesn't care about you. You are an expendable replaceable resource to them. There may have been a time when working hard at a company benefited a worker, but that time is long gone.

posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 09:50 PM

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: deadlyhope

And as automation continues to take over, it will get worse and worse.

Not really, I mean China does things right. US not so much. US needs to start following what China is doing. You see all the Chinese workers being replaced by automation, but they aren't really complaining as they are moving to newer jobs. US companies don't want to teach their own workers. They are force to go through School again(College ehm) which I call the people in higher positions lazy, greedy and ignorant.

This is why Communism = win.
You get replaced, you get a chance to find another way.
Compare to US. Replace go homeless, etc.

You wonder why food prices rises and economy is # even when you becoming higher in tech to generate more food.

posted on Jul, 3 2017 @ 11:15 PM
a reply to: deadlyhope
I'm pretty sure that a mangers job description often includes:

You must be confident in your abilities to approach your team , one member at a time.
Quickly and succinctly point out the obvious, then move on to the next member.
Making sure that no member of your team has the time, nor feels the need to provide any sort of feedback that may impact the efficiency of projects, plans or goals.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 10:53 AM
a reply to: openminded2011

Well, it's just a little bit different in the situation I am in...

My boss is also my cousin, and he is always telling me he would be happy if I found a way to make ends meet in a better way, such as owning my own business.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 11:20 AM
a reply to: makemap

Dude that has been a process that started as soon as we sharpened the first stick into a spear...

Before that it took 10 guys to take down an elk, after the spear it only took 5..

After the adalladle it only took 2 people and once we invented the bow and arrow it only took one....

We were always going to reach a technological level where period you just don't need the vast majority of the population's labor to run society..

Any measures we take are just delaying the inevitable.

Imho we have already passed the 50% mark and right now it only takes 45% of the population to go to work..

And that should be a great thing!!!

That's Star Trek!

But we have been raised since birth to HATE anyone who doesn't work as hard as you do.. to the point them nor their children even deserve food , clothing and shelter..

Imho capitalism worked best for the Industrial Age, in the future we get to create something totally new.

Most likely universal salaries or something..

Hoping tech will slow down or businesses will just decide to pay for more expensive less productive humans out of the goodness of their hearts is a pipe dream.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 02:08 PM
a reply to: makemap

China has sweatshops, horrific working conditions and employers are given almost dictator level control over employees. I wouldn't call it doing it right.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 02:18 PM
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

And Sweden , Norway and Switzerland are all the best places to live on the planet at the moment...

People point at Stalin, china or some other worst case scenerio of communism/socialism but forget that we have been socialist for the vast majority of human history..

Capitalism is a fairly new very successful experiment, but is a new experiment.

Even in modern times most of the economic powerhouses have been more socialist than capitalist..

Also it's even more fair to establish that there is no economic system that is not a mix..

The US is prob the most capitalist and it's just a 60% -40% mix..

So really it's about what sectors work best public and private.

Imho police , fire , health care , military and all the other stuff too important to have fail to make a profit you do public.. everything else you go private.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:26 PM

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: makemap

China has sweatshops, horrific working conditions and employers are given almost dictator level control over employees. I wouldn't call it doing it right.

That is why they are replacing workers with robots. Make it easier and less slave like duh.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 07:52 PM
Look, you're going to be able to find examples of people that have worked hard, even smart, stayed away from the usual success zapping vices and still haven't succeeded in life, at least not yet.

You're also going to find examples of lazy asses that aren't very bright, indulged in many if not all of the success zapping vices and are still successful, at least for now and as far as you know.

But the odds are, if you want to succeed, however you define that, you're going to have to work hard for at least some period of time.

Without hard work, most people just don't get to where they want to be. Add some wisdom in the choices you make, stay away from those success zapping vices, learn to delay gratification for a little bit and the odds are you're going to succeed.

An unwillingness to work hard is going to put the odds of succeeding against you.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:09 PM
What do you mean by "hard work"? Does that mean "physically difficult activity," as in lifting heavy stones? Does it mean working a long time in a row," like a 12 hour shift or seven days in a row? Or does it mean a mentally taxing operation such as standing long hours and working retail? If your skills are minimal, then all you have to offer is your body because you really don't know how to do anything so useful that it is in demand and worth more than minimum wage. If you're educated in anything at all useful, from plumbing to chemical engineering, then hard work very definitely pays off. There's no reason at all you can't get a descent job and enjoy a descent living. The real tragedy is people who screw up and then just blame other people for their lack of success.
edit on 7/4/2017 by schuyler because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 08:54 PM
Cliche as it may be.. working smart will tend to get better results than working hard. Working hard while working smart yields even better results, though failure is still certainly possible. Not much in life is a sure thing.

You can make a living doing what you love, but it will also limit options in a sense. It also runs the risk of ruining that hobby/activity, though that's certainly not a sure thing. It still needs to be in a framework that generates a certain threshold of income.

There is also the option of tackling finances directly, in order to achieve a level of freedom outside of that occupation. Ideally, this approach aims at generating enough assets to be able to eliminate the need for an occupation as soon as possible.

In the latter approach, its best not too look at it in terms of a "dream job." Instead, targeting a specific market that you may or may not have an interest in yourself.

There are options that blend those two examples and certainly more approaches. Running your own business, regardless of what it is, is a really great option for many instead of say, working for a large faceless corporation. Sometimes the best path can still be doing the latter to get to the former.

Where the people I've known go wrong, including myself, is trying to get the best of both worlds right off the bat. It can happen if everything lines up right, but the reality of how that is achieved can be quite different than we think it will be. An inability to adapt to that can wreck even the best opportunities.

Which is why having a clear goal can be so helpful. Whether its either option, it can be used as a focus to make long term planning decisions instead of just "making it" day to day with no sort of direction or sense of achievement. The loss of those things were really what impacted me most. Even though I had ideas for goals, I wasn't really using them as goalposts or actively working towards them.

Personally, I think of it like a gift to my future self. That train of thought just seems to put it in a clearer perspective. We have a funky system, imo, but it doesn't have to be all bad.

posted on Jul, 4 2017 @ 09:28 PM
a reply to: deadlyhope

You are either a worker or not a worker...I am a I get some sort of pride from it.

We workers are not tiny dancers.

posted on Jul, 5 2017 @ 12:08 PM

originally posted by: nightbringr

originally posted by: luciferslight
save all your earnings. sacrifice lifestyle for a few years. wear the same cloths for until you it rips or you need a new one. food.. if you want to have a retirement plan, eat simple.

save up, but then spend on better service/equipment/employees and keep adding to your profit making machine.

one day you'll be make millions.

This exactly.

It's called HARD WORK!

This is working smarter, not harder.
edit on 09/04/1994 by luciferslight because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 04:36 PM
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

I share your opinion. A lot of people want to have success, but they are not ready for this. When someone wants to achieve a goal, he/she works hard and do his/her best in order to succeed. I used to work as a manager at a pharmaceutical company, but I didn't like my job in general. So, I decided to change my occupation and start my own business. It took me a long time to feel that it was a right decision as I faced a lot of problems, especially in marketing. It happened mostly because of lack of knowledge and experience, and I had to address a company that helped me to manage leads and expand online ( Of course, I had to pay for this service, but it was worth it, because now my business has been growing and I have improved my knowledge in marketing and can do it by myself. So, yes, hard work does pay off. If you really want something, do it and you'll have it.

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