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posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: greydaze
Wait till 2018..You'll see who the real losers are,and they will have R's next to there names...


Ha!

Doubtful.

The more the left melts down, the less likely that is.

If you haven't noticed, the further left the Democrats have gone, the more they've lost.




posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: SudoNim

Agreed. Stupid and Ignorance can't even describe it! More like being brainwashed by Trump to the point where your brains are mush. After all the stupidity and childish remarks coming out of Trumps mouth, loyalty to a political party shouldn't cloud someone's judgement and basic sense of logic. This guy is clearly an IDIOT and he's an embarrassment to the office of the presidency and to the entire country.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Why are you telling them? Just let them think the temper tantrum is going well and watch them lose badly in '18.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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This is what the left is pandering to... and they seriously wonder why they are losing at every level.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Konduit
This is what the left is pandering to... and they seriously wonder why they are losing at every level.


The funny (or not) thing is, they don't realize they've completely lost the majority of Independents.

When the middle thinks the right is more sane than the left, the left needs to worry.

And honestly, there are some Dems who see this, and have publicly stated it. Only to be shut down by their own party members. Mainly the younger members of the Democratic party. Those who only call themselves Democrats, because they're not honest enough to call themselves Socialists.

The left has been taken over by SJWs, 3rd wave feminists, and Modern Liberals.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: wantsome
We're losing? is that why Republicans can't pass their healthcare bill?


Ha that's funny when Dems were in control they said Pass it to read it.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Mclaneinc
a reply to: Painterz

Please Re read my post, I edited it...

As for no leftist evidence, just look at the steadily growing underground madness in the SJW world, people running around demanding Sharia Law when they don't even understand it. Yes crazies but crazies inciting racial confrontation where white and black relations are already being strained in large area's of America.

Its not at tipping point as yet but the feelings are there and you hear the far right talking of getting their guns ready. Again its only talk and most likely bravado but its happening and it does not take that much to start the flames of madness.

Am I talking utter madness, I really hope I am but from where I'm sitting the world looks a pretty unstable place with an American President who flies off the handle very easily. I really liked the notion of Trump coming in and stirring up the system which is exactly what he has done BUT I also see him as a lose canon but happily he can't do it all himself.




Well I hear what you're saying. But, I know of absolutely no 'SJWs' or anybody remotely interested in social justice who is running around demanding sharia law.

The only people wanting sharia law are the hardline authoritarian religious islamists. And those... are not SJWs.

Sharia law is like, the antithesis of social justice.

So no, truly, the only people saying SJWs want Sharia law are the extreme right wing websites just making stuff up I think.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Why have the mods let this run on for 14 pages?

It's the top story on the front page of ATS. It's what people see first when they visit the site.

And I mean, really? Really?!

The thread where people were complaining about the alt-right echo chamber and the alt-right takeover of ATS and how they disliked all the insults on this website lately got shut down by the mods. But this thread of pure alt-right childish insults towards everybody that isn't them is still going?


Typical. Don't like it, so you come up with some oblique argument to get it squashed, shut down or deleted. How mature! Is that your answer for everything you don't like? Just make it go away?

Stick your fingers in your ears and sing "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" much?

Thank you for illustrating one of the contributing reasons why I even authored this thread.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Left, liberals...you're losing!

I have been trying to call them "leftists or regressives".
As a community we should to. Because the best way to fix a problem is to identify it first. Liberalism as a whole isn't bad. It's just in it's current collectivist modern form it's very misguided. True liberalism is for smaller government and more freedoms. Not authoritarianism!

"Liberal" is a very broad brush that also includes us classical liberals Though I take no offense because I know you're referring these SJW'ing, virtue signaling, oppression Olympic playing, white guilt riddled, green haired, tight pants, Starbucks toting, 21st century hippies. We hope one day to be able to wear the title of liberal again without having get so entrenched in the left vs right dogma. I liked it when I could have a healthy debate here without it degrading into a pissing match of ideals.

But until that day I will continue to fight for true liberalism, and if that means wiping the leftist tears off my computer monitor daily then so be it.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
Why have the mods let this run on for 14 pages?

Because it's the OP's right to saw whatever he/she wants so long as it doesn't violate the T&C...



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: poncho1982

Very well stated actually.

It is interesting to see those who start to acknowledge this be almost instantaneously banished from further media coverage. And, I suspect, ostracized from many of their own social circles.

The democrats were a mighty opposition to the right when they represented the working man, the blue collar men and women who went to work every day, toiling at impossibly difficult jobs, but had no voice. But then the labor union leadership became corrupt and greedy. Support began to wane. In an effort to maintain their ranks, the democrats lowered the bar, over and over, to the point where they will pander to absolutely anyone for the sake of a vote. Once this happened, and the democratic party began to represent virtually the most extreme of the extreme, public support was lost. And when this happened political operatives such as Soros and others started meddling with the system. Some bought up the media, to control the spin, to generate the propaganda. For quite a while this worked quite well. The MSM is indeed a powerful force. But when the blatant lies started rolling across the airwaves 24x7, people were fed up. No more.

There is perhaps a bright side to all of this though. The two party system must go, and the fall of the democrats may be just the thing to do it. There will never be an upside to voting for the lesser of two evils, and the two party system breeds exactly this. Empire of the elites is what has kept the two party system alive as long as it has been. This must end. And not even I will argue this fact. As long as the left clings so desperately to their broken ideals and leadership there will be a pulse, but the end isn't far off now (I believe). Identity politics has had a lot to do with this, and frankly the vast majority of opposition responses in this thread are underpinned by just this, identity politics. Going after the person, not the ball.

A wild ride for sure.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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i actually think we are ALL losing. The perception that Conservatives are "winning" because Trump won is based on an illusion. The illusion is that Trump will somehow do what you voted for him to do, and for some people maybe that seems to be the case. He absolutely HAS had an effect on illegal immigration numbers (one of his campaign promises) HOWEVER, there is literally not a SINGLE THING Trump has done that cannot be undone or significantly mitigated by a future Administration. Therefore, if youre definition of "winning" is only based on whats very temporary and easily changed, then yes, you could say you are winning, but i personally am not convinced that anything truly lasting has happened. If or when Trump leaves office, unless he does build a wall (which could be destroyed or taken down), that will be the ONLY thing that remains of his tenure.

I wont lie, i didnt want Clinton to win....but i didnt vote for Trump and hes doing some things that really freak me out, Syria being the most worrisome.


Trump appears to be reneging on many of his most important campaign trail signals or promises.....and in my opinion theres just no way to defend that.

As for the political scene, if 2016 taught us anything its that our political establishment has totally failed us and no amount of partisanship will save it. We need to completely re invent american politics....and that will never happen as long as we are locked into our tribal mentality. Get out of it anyway you can. It helps no one.


Team Human



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Oh, but freedom of speech only exists (in their minds) when someone is saying something they want to hear.

Once more to the outright hypocrisy of the left!



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Lol there is nothing to lose. This is not some game. Your idealism cannot be applied to those who disagree with you. 'Win' all you want, in the end your opinion and those who agree with you mean nothing, do nothing, will 'protect' nothing. Support your prez all you want, he's yours...no one elses.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: onemoreface

If you read this thread carefully, with an eye towards what I have said, you will notice I have never mentioned the current administration (other than to say this thread wasn't about the current administration). Equally, I have never mentioned "winning" (again, other than to say this thread wasn't about that). Even despite the numerous barbed attempts to refocus the discussion on these elements, or should I say "distract" the conversation to these elements, I have not gone there.

It's curious how many responses seem to overlook these facts. It's not surprising though how many responses are directed at me personally (no worries though, I've got pretty thick skin), or at the current administration, or contain some fire breathing, vitriolic, off-topic ideology.

Nope, this thread has been, and continues to be, simply about the left losing (credibility, traction and identity). It's interesting to see the very reason why be demonstrated over, and over, and over again with many of the responses. There have been a handful of measured and well reasoned opposing viewpoint responses, but these are by far and away the exception rather than the rule.


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posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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It's interesting your perspective on that, you say the comments here 'prove the left is losing', whatever 'losing' means in this context.

All I've seen is evidence that the alt-right are a bunch of name-calling bullies who like stroking each other egos with threads like this.


It's weird that you start a thread with the premise of 'YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS! HA HA!' and then expect to get sensible mature replies in response though.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well this is something of substance, a debate can ensue!

No but seriously, you mentioned identity politics, it's a fair point that this is the mud-pit and you have the right to throw insults about but many of us don't identify with the left.

It's a huge problem that you actually identified, one I mentioned in my first post. The issue most democratic nations have is the two party system, basically what amounts to two elite wings of the same beast and that will never change whilst people are not involved in politics.

You mention the backbone of the Democrats, that backbone isn't indifferent from Labour in the UK, in the past they were champions of the working class man's rights and needs. Formed in close union with worker unions. They were in essence the working people's party, it's a screwed up world when people are voting the other side. But with that being said, who can honestly say they identify with the party they vote for?

It's an issue I raised with you, I stated that threads like these serve nothing more than to drive people away from politics. You mentioned that elitist politics hasn't an upside, so why do you insult, bait and troll the other side whilst chucking more into the box on the left?

It's silly.

Especially when you addressed some fine points in this post I'm responding to. You should engage them, discuss the "politics" because as it stands, many people wish not to discuss politics. Yet politics is the stuff that colours the cloth that is the fabric of society.

We need people voicing opinions and making a fairer society, no matter where we are. If those people "representing" us fail to do so, we should be able to represent ourselves.

We have so many social issues in the western world, not just America. Things like poverty and crippling debt amongst the lower and middle class, a lack of proper healthcare, bloated industries and lack of jobs... The list goes on.

I think we could agree that no side has decent solutions to these problems and again I'll state that neither side has truly represented the people for a while.

So let's go after the ball, insults are pointless.



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I dare you to read this post and read the link attached. I fn DARE you. Or stay in your ignorant slumber and continue to be conned. Have any of you read the Steele intelligence? Trump WISHES it was fake news INSTEAD of actual intelligence gathered by one of the worlds most highly regarded mi6 agents and he by no means gave the fbi his intelligence because it was "fake news" rather he was so concerned about what he was finding out about Trump he found it urgent to alert intelligence community. It baffles me how people brush off the fact that Putin is blackmailing Trump especially when it explains everything. Are people to lazy to read Steeles intelligence or do they simply believe its fake news because Trump told them so? Trump is terrified of the contents in the dossier so of course hes gonna label it fake news. Please dont be a sheep and at least read for yourself the intelligence agent Steele gathered. Here it is: www.documentcloud.org...



posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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Well, I'll star that (and did).

Why say the things I've said? To illustrate a point, which has been illustrated quite well, not by myself, but by many of the responses. You see, until you can exhaust all the excuses, silence all the harbored partisan hatred for the sake of nothing more than partisan hatred, there can be no meaningful debate. In order to truly solve a problem, one first has to acknowledge there IS a problem. Until then, there can be no progress.

Yes, I have tried to throw out objective examples of the problem, interspersed with responses to some of the continuing vitriol. I've tried, but aside from yourself and perhaps a couple others, nobody has even noticed and certainly haven't engaged these points.

As I've said no less than 20 times in this thread, it wasn't about the right 'winning', and it wasn't about Trump, but regardless of how many times I state this where does the discussion almost immediately go? Right back to winning and Trump again. Why? Well, because it's emotion talking, not rational thought. And that's kind of the point; the left now is constructed on a foundation of almost pure emotion. And, until one can exhaust all that emotion, to remove that underpinning knee-jerk explosive defensive posture, there can be no meaningful discussion.

Notice in the OP nowhere did I mention the right winning, the current administration or anything of the sort. However, what I did do though was to pour some salt on an emotional wound, because that's what it is, an emotional wound. Not a financial one, not even a real one, just pure raw emotion. People are absolutely blinded by it, and they'd rather cut off their own right hand before admitting it. It's that deep.

If I were to have started this thread instead with "Hey Liberal Left, let's sit down and discuss how we fix this problem", you would have seen endless responses of:

"What problem? There is NO problem! The only problem is Trump! Get rid of him and it's problem solved!"

You and I both know this wouldn't solve the underpinning issues, but that wouldn't matter because people are just absolutely blinded by that emotion. And all the screaming, foot stomping and name calling in the world won't change it. But again, to truly solve a problem, one first has to acknowledge there IS a problem. And the left, well most of them anyway, are not ready to acknowledge this yet...as exemplified by so many of the responses here.

Clearly you are an exception and, despite what it might appear, I really do welcome meaningful discussion. I would hope you can see this from some of what I have posted here.

Best regards.




posted on Jul, 1 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

No emotion here-just logic. And no im not a clinton supporter either. Ask a middle class Trump supporter "Why do you like having your taxes raised while the millionaires get theirs lowered so you can eat their crumbs from trickle down economics" and they wont know what the # you are talking about. Trump got his support from the lowest educated white people and they have no idea what the republican agenda is ie "starve the poor to feed the rich." I would say its pathetic but in truth its sad because Trump conning millions of Americans proves the beavis and butthead generation has finally grown up. They have no idea they are getting #ed and that Trump doesnt give two good #s about them. Trump supporters are a used car salesman dream! Trump knew all he needed to do was wave a flag and the marks would flock to him. And so they did. Some people are simply gullible. Trump has been a conman for decades. Trump supporters dont wanna here theyve been conned because they think they are "winning" when really the millionaire class is winning. They have no freekin idea whats really going on around them. The ones on this site believe in Roswell yet they cant see a true to life con sold to them by a master salesman. Maybe i should use the word pathetic. And i guarantee not a one of them will read this. Proof that Putin is blackmailing their hero: www.documentcloud.org...
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