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Will the U.S clone for military purposes?

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posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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I was sitting and gazing and wondering if the U.S will possibly use clones for their military purposes. Beings that will have no identity, no fear, no knoledge. The only knowledge they could be programmed to is to do nothing but kill. Nobody would care about these clones because they would simply serve no meaning to us what so ever. Its easy enough to pick up a hobo on the side of the road and send him off to war. Nobody knows him, so why not lets take him and make a million copies of him/her and send them out to war? Sound like a good idea? After that, we could drop a nuclear bomb on them to cover up our tracks.




posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 04:30 PM
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I thought they were just going to create Android instead?...or Cybernetic clones!?



posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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"So have begun the clone wars."
I would say that clones as we know today will never be sent into war.
So far there has been no Human clones. A cloned being ages the same as regular beings. So they would grow and learn just as we do. They would not be "zombie" to send into battle.
Also most states have pretty much banned human cloning.
www.ncsl.org...



posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 04:56 PM
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I doubt they will ever be used because they would just cost so much more then using regular troops with no clear advantage over normal Humans. Clones would just be people like you and me.

Much easier to just make a normal person's identity vanish



posted on Feb, 6 2005 @ 09:37 PM
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Yes they will. They will take the size and physical strength of Shaq, the dexterity of Iverson, the brains of Hawking, the indurance of Lance Armstrong, the speed of whatever gold metal sprinter they like, the jumping ability of Jordan all backed by the US military armory.

We will then kill everyone, starting with those pesky French people - they are really annoying. Then we will move to those nut heads in the middle east. After that, China seems like a nice place to Americanize. Then we need somewhere to vacation....I'm thinking Australia or New Zealand. We will then ban rugby in favor of our superior American football - oh, speaking of football, our football is the ONLY football so Euros can call their game soccer from now on. Then we will give guns to everyone, and implement the NWO, which of course is controlled by the Reptellians via the Greys. We will then consume all the oil in the world, make everyone dine on McDonalds 4 times a week, and top it all off by nuking everyone for the hell of it.


No - there will be no cloning for a long, long time.

[edit on 6-2-2005 by American Mad Man]



posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 12:10 AM
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I doubt very much so that cloned soldiers will play a role in the way wars
are fought any time soon. Deep in the future probably so but for now
there would be too much critisim and outrage by humanitarian intitutes and
protesting members of the public over the ethical issues involved.

However I do think genetic engineering and gene therapy could be
something to come into play in the near future. This would be combined
with the latest technology coming out of Natick at the moment. Soon enough we could all be living in a world somewhat similar to GATTACA.



posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 12:58 AM
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they might clone genius scientist out... i was wondering....since they have the brain of albert edstein....is it possible to clone him out? Imagine cloning 1000 genius albert ....won't teleportation and all other stuff able to be invented?



posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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Cloning Albert Einstien wont necercarily guarantee that all the clones would
be genius's... In fact I doubt very must so that they would be anything above
normal... The only way that would happen, is if they all lived exactly the same
life that he did, had the same jobs, had the same parents and the same
childhood and at the same time in history.

Besides there was plenty of things that would be hard to duplicate, Einstein
didn't learn to talk until way after his 3rd Birthday. But I must admit, it would be cool.



posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 09:17 PM
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I think yes, but not only for the reasons postulated. I can see the recruiters telling your Mom, "It's okay if he gets killed, Ma'am. You'll get the life insurance benefit AND the govt will clone him out. You'll have him back better than new in a couple years with accelerated growth technology and rapid learning. No problem."



posted on Feb, 13 2005 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Chakotay
I think yes, but not only for the reasons postulated. I can see the recruiters telling your Mom, "It's okay if he gets killed, Ma'am. You'll get the life insurance benefit AND the govt will clone him out. You'll have him back better than new in a couple years with accelerated growth technology and rapid learning. No problem."


Why not just send the clone then?



posted on Feb, 14 2005 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Why not just send the clone then?


LOL- I was thinking they'd clone you if you were killed. I've got this sneaking suspicion that clones are going to be way stupid for the longest time, its just a feeling and I have no supporting evidence. I think it's Dolly The Sheep's look. So the original would have better combat survivability and superior aggressiveness in my admittedly prejudiced opinion. I think clone armies might be prone to go random on their creators. It just a narcissistic prejudice of mine. Hey, there was some of this on the old show Space: Above and Beyond, I think.

[edit on 14-2-2005 by Chakotay]



posted on Feb, 18 2005 @ 09:53 PM
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Im new at this and this is my first time responding or putting my 2 cents into anything.So hears wut i think.

I think that the United States military would do something like cloneing.If you think about it,it makes sence.The U.S govermint has a pretty big military budget so there for theay would be able to pay for it.And if you think about it in bit more detail for all we know theay could build underground bases to grow and teach theese clones.I mean why not use it if you can?

I dont know much about this technolagey but for all we know the govermint could be ferther then we think with cloneing technolgey.How do we know for sure that some of the soldiers in Iraq right now arn't copys of people liveing around the world right now.I dont know any of this for sure im onley saying think of it how can we be a hundred percent sure how fare we humans have come with this.

Alnd if we cant do it now then in the future when it is possable to make armys of copys of people then i see no real reasion why the military wouldent do it.Think of it.If you can copy some of your best soldiers and teach them all the thigns theay need to know about combat and then send them in to fight sted of useing non cloned people then why not doi it.You could have 1,000,000 of your best soldiers who would fight well in combat insted of have 1,000,000 soldiers who are all diffron.It would make more sence i think to use clone.

I think i herd somthign about being able to alter a clone to how u want it.Im not sure how true this is but if it is then take elamints of your best soldiers (speed,stregnth,knowlage.ect..) and make it into a super soldier then make a a tone of copys of them and that was when one dies it dont matter and it is more likeley the clone would be more secsessfull then the normal person due to the inhancements....or i could be compleatley wrong but i dont think we can be really sure and i see cloneing solderis as a good thing for the military and bad thing or everyday people.

And one last thing i was thinking.My onley real fear about talk of cloneing is that we humans will turn out to be like the greys at one point.I civilization of copys of people.From whate i have red about the greys there dieing out or somthing like that,that theay cant keep cloning clones well whate happins when humans get to this point it could happin.We may not see it as that big of a possablity now because we probley dont have that good of cloneing technolagey.
But whos to say in 40 years from now that people wont be scared of being replaced by clones.It's not a threat to us now but will it be in the future? i think theres a chance oneday it will be.

Im sorry for the spelling misstakes and hope this makes sence... thank you

Stephen.R



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:17 AM
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Its a bit infeasible, since you would have to wait 16-18 years for them to grow up, right? I do think it could work out some day, once it becomes cheaper, perfected, and not looked down upon.

Think about taking the best of the best and cloning them and using them for what would be considered suicide missions. If they ever found a way to speed up growth and perfect genetics just think of the possibilities. Instead of having to transport massive amounts of troops during wartime mobilization why not just place a cloning facility? In a week or two you could have a so-called instant military presence in the area made of the best troops there are. You could make them fearless, loyal, intelligent, specialized for any task, anything you wanted. You'd finally have our military's wet dream, "men" bred specifically for war.

Thinking more and more about this I realize that there is quite a bit of flaws in my logic. Oh well, I guess we'll have to use robots, at least you can always recycle those



posted on Mar, 13 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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maybe if you were to alter the clones somehow, maybe kets say changing there mind around or even make them non human looking. Perhaps instead of cloning people you could create a new race used for war...and clone them. Maybe something part ape and part human....i dont know.



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by creamsoda
I was sitting and gazing and wondering if the U.S will possibly use clones for their military purposes. Beings that will have no identity, no fear, no knoledge. The only knowledge they could be programmed to is to do nothing but kill. Nobody would care about these clones because they would simply serve no meaning to us what so ever. Its easy enough to pick up a hobo on the side of the road and send him off to war. Nobody knows him, so why not lets take him and make a million copies of him/her and send them out to war? Sound like a good idea? After that, we could drop a nuclear bomb on them to cover up our tracks.

No i don't think so if you mean robot or computer wise because they can be tampered with by the enemy and find out how we created this being and start mass producing this aforementioned killing machine i hope this helps



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by CMAN
maybe if you were to alter the clones somehow, maybe kets say changing there mind around or even make them non human looking. Perhaps instead of cloning people you could create a new race used for war...and clone them. Maybe something part ape and part human....i dont know.


though your theorie is good i don't think we need another race or group terrorizing the u.S especially if they are a race used and bred for war and or killing



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by WaxPineapple

Though your theory is good I don't think we need another race or group terrorizing the US, especially if they are a race used and bred for war and/or killing...


Who knows? ... Could be another reason to increase defense spending... Oh no, wait, thats what Islamics were used for...



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
I doubt they will ever be used because they would just cost so much more then using regular troops with no clear advantage over normal Humans. Clones would just be people like you and me.

Much easier to just make a normal person's identity vanish


what about genetic engenering or the android/cyborg aspect?



posted on Mar, 24 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowXIX
I doubt they will ever be used because they would just cost so much more then using regular troops with no clear advantage over normal Humans. Clones would just be people like you and me.



Originally posted by ivanglam
what about genetic engenering or the android/cyborg aspect?


DARPA has been working on Exo-Skeletons for a while now...

Military Exoskeletons



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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To clone a soldier en masse required very carefully planning and coordination by science and military experts. It requires DNA manipulation and resequencing, carefully done. It must be drawn from the original person who have no history or traits of mental conditions, violence, etc, etc, but exhibit a willing nature with honed survival behaviors, high adaptability, fortitude, strength, and high tolerance of pain. Clones can be trained to be docile and obedient to a point, can be conditioned with proper methods of command, tactics and warfighting abilities and can be programmed to receive, comprehend and carry out orders without question.

On the other hand, clone soldiers make human soldiers obsolete and worthless, IMO.



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