ACA destined to fail, by design, bring on single payer!

It is desigin is like a rigged jinga game the people who built it know what pieces to pull out and keep it up as long as needed then when it serves its purpose they start letting other people pull some pieces and it all comes down .....just the way it was always meant to.

Wrong, this started when companies said no to providing health insurance. It's a direct result of Obamacare. Hotel management position, very few can get full time.a reply to: icanteven

51% of Americans get their health insurance from a JOB. Most employees have the costs of the coverage partially or fully subsidized by the employer.

Best estimates are that Single-Payer would increase the average person's taxes by $4,800 a year.

Would employees be willing to trade away their current health insurance, to get Government healthcare, for a $4,800 per year outlay?

originally posted by: carewemust
51% of Americans get their health insurance from a JOB. Most employees have the costs of the coverage partially or fully subsidized by the employer.

Best estimates are that Single-Payer would increase the average person's taxes by $4,800 a year.

Would employees be willing to trade away their current health insurance, to get Government healthcare, for a $4,800 per year outlay?

And even with employer-provided health insurance, people pay more than $4,800 a year in their premiums.

I know I pay close to $400/mo even with my employer health insurance.

The kicker is getting people with employer-provided health insurance to give it up, and their "preferential treatment" privilege they think they have, to get the same healthcare as everyone else.

Let's not forget that even if you break even or save a bit of cash, if you still demand and insist on extra-special, above and beyond care -- you'll be able to pay cash or even purchase additional private insurance. Wealthy people in Europe currently do this anyway.

So when that lotto ticket finally wins, or Shark Tank picks up your nacho cheese & beer dispenser idea, you'll have the option to get cutting-edge medical treatment ahead of anyone else still.

And let's drop this "wait time" bullcrap. My S.O. had to wait 3 months in the USA for a surgery from a specialist. It wasn't life-threatening, so she had to be scheduled. That's how it works. Specialists leave a certain amount of their calendar open for emergencies, but generally if its not life threatening (like a knee replacement) -- you're going to be scheduled a few months out just like in Canada or Europe.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

Single payer was originally part of the Obama plan, but he dropped it in order to compromise with the Republicans.

Wrong. He just plain lied.

a reply to: WUNK22

What state are you in? There are plenty of entry level full time jobs with benefits where I live

Yup, after researching the different healthcare systems the last few hours, I'm throwing my hat in for single-payer. State ran with supplemental insurance (like Aflac) still being an option to those that so choose.

Buuut, I still think that at this point in history, there's still got to be an untapped or unknown system that will be groundbreaking to the world. Im an American through and through, so with my ignorant American exceptionalism, I've been in the mind that this debate was the perfect time to show the world a lil sumn.
Truth is, this an oligarchy and neither party even cares about us. They just want political points, and to keep their power.

Hell, they're all exempt from these healthcare bills and are covered for life under a social wellfare program that apparently too good for us.

a reply to: essentialtremors

The thing is, for the vast majority of people it will either save them money or cost about the same.

Then, if people really want some kind of "express service" or "white glove treatment" -- they can have their own supplemental insurance, or a HSA (health savings account) to cover that.

We can still have choices, options, and freedom ...

We don't worry about our roads, police, fire ect. Those are funded by all of us. And if we want to drive on toll roads, we can. If we want to hire private security we can.

The one positive to this partisan bickering thats causing a slow progression on our healthcare advancements, is that it's all effectively been a bleed out for the insurance companies, i.e a slow death, rather the a complete shock to the economy.

(That was a long azz sentence)

In the realm of TPTB, the regular playbook seems to be

1) If the idea you think of isn't popular, you need to make it popular
2) Come up with a different idea that's widely unpopular, but sort of works
3) Suggest (1) as a replacement for (2) and make people think they had wanted that idea all along.

Obamacare was the terrible idea that forced everyone to realize that they thought they wanted something different. The Republican healthcare plan is so much worse than Obamacare, that Single Payer seems like a great idea by comparison.

End Result? End Medicaid, end Medicare, create a single payer healthcare system run by the Government. Government is in complete control of an industry that accounts for 1/6 of the economy, and health care companies lose billions in the process. Insurance industry losses would also be staggering.

The "for profit" healthcare system in this country isn't going to change. Trump is powerless to change anything.
The ACA days may prove to have been the best alternative minus the fines.

a reply to: Kettu


People don't have to give up their employer-provided insurance, but if Medicare is opened to anyone who wants it, some might.

a reply to: WUNK22

In that type of job he likely qualifies for a large subsidy to help pay for it. A 26 year old making $450 per week will have to pay about $100 per month max. He can get his annual checkups for free and co-pays for most medical matters. If he has something serious he will also likely have to shoulder a big deductible. But if you have something serious then the deductible won't seem like that much and he can get help with that as well.

The biggest obstacle to Obamacare working is the ignorance of those against it.

"In 2012, after the Supreme Court effectively rewrote the law to allow many states to reject the Medicaid expansion, the CBO predicted that “the number of nonelderly (under age 65) people lacking insurance would drop to 30 million in 2016.” In reality, the number dropped to 27.9 million."

Did you all get that? Less people are uninsured in 2016 than even the CBO forecast in 2012. The exchanges have less signups only because more small emloyers kept their plans than expected.

The cost are too damn high, but that is another matter, and requires seperate legislation to get cost under control.

We do not need the added expense of insurance companies. The money the insurance companies soak up could be used to heal sick people.