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ACA destined to fail, by design, bring on single payer!

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posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?




posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


No. Not entirely.

The program itself was based on a program created by the Heritage Foundation. Obama wanted to include a single-payer/public option but took it out to compromise with the Republicans. That only left the preexisting conditions clause as Obama's only real contribution.

So there is a lot of blame to go around on this one, but the program itself was created by Republicans.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


It's a replica of Romney's plan....Romney was a Republican. Draw your own conclusion.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


No. Not entirely.

The program itself was based on a program created by the Heritage Foundation. Obama wanted to include a single-payer/public option but took it out to compromise with the Republicans. That only left the preexisting conditions clause as Obama's only real contribution.

So there is a lot of blame to go around on this one, but the program itself was created by Republicans.


since no republicans voted for this turd why do you suppose it was necessary to please the right? This is your story, be sure to tell it right.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


It's a replica of Romney's plan....Romney was a Republican. Draw your own conclusion.


perhaps you can share with the site which republicans voted for the ACA. I don't give a rats ass who wrote it, who slept with it, or who cuddled with it afterwords, only who voted it into law.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

The fact it isn't single payer is the republicans fault.. that said the fact the dems hold their ground and submitted to the republican plan is absolutely the democrats fault..

They definitely don't deserve a pass..

But when discussing the policy itself democrats have wanted to remove insurance companies from the equation for a long while now.


Come on they are paper pushers keeping 30% off the top of every dollar spent on healthcare and DO NOT PREFORM A MEDUCAL FUNCTION!!!


Obviously their is your dead weight and why every other modern country has dumped them.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: network dude

It was a carbon copy of Romney care.....

The GOP started yelling death panels and the dems got scared and agreed to shift from single payer to Romney care.

Republicans helped write it.

Don't get me wrong, the democrats deserve the credit for the fiasco..

But when talking about weather a policy is left wing/right wing ,conservative/liberal.

It was as if the republicans voted to redistribute everyone's wealth..

That doesn't mean that wealth distribution is now a conservative policy.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

Like I said, it's doing what it was designed to do. Insurance companies are actually seeing record profits and they get to pick and choose what markets they work in.


That's interesting.... I just read several articles this week about how nearly every insurance company is dropping Obamacare. If they were raking in record profits from it why would they do that?

This one is from my home state just last week:

Anthen Pulls out of Wisconsin and Indiana



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


No. Not entirely.

The program itself was based on a program created by the Heritage Foundation. Obama wanted to include a single-payer/public option but took it out to compromise with the Republicans. That only left the preexisting conditions clause as Obama's only real contribution.

So there is a lot of blame to go around on this one, but the program itself was created by Republicans.


since no republicans voted for this turd why do you suppose it was necessary to please the right? This is your story, be sure to tell it right.


It is true that no republicans voted for the bill. Obama compromised with them and they threw him under the bus when it came time to vote for it.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

it's funny, there are a couple posters above you who think it's the Republican's fault, but when pressed, can't explain why, and not you seem to say it isn't, but.....

Who passed the ACA? What was the goal of the ACA? Do you think a single payer system was the initial motive and letting the ACA implode was part of the process?



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: WUNK22

So does your son want more hours or does he want a job and the ability to buy insurance from the marketplace? Those are two different things. Give most people part-time hours was a problem before Obamacare. Moving to whatever the Republican bill becomes won't change that.

Does he work in retail or something?



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


It's a replica of Romney's plan....Romney was a Republican. Draw your own conclusion.


I am not ready to draw conclusions yet... I am still laughing at the attempt to burden Republicans with Obama's signature failure.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

Like I said, it's doing what it was designed to do. Insurance companies are actually seeing record profits and they get to pick and choose what markets they work in.


That's interesting.... I just read several articles this week about how nearly every insurance company is dropping Obamacare. If they were raking in record profits from it why would they do that?

This one is from my home state just last week:

Anthen Pulls out of Wisconsin and Indiana




Read your link. It tells you why they are leaving.

They are/were making good money on Obamacare and now that Trump and Republicans are trying to push this new bill, the insurance companies do not want to remain in markets that may not be profitable for them.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


It's a replica of Romney's plan....Romney was a Republican. Draw your own conclusion.


I am not ready to draw conclusions yet... I am still laughing at the attempt to burden Republicans with Obama's signature failure.


I'm not really blaming the Republicans. All I was saying is that this program model was created by Republicans and it was designed to force money to insurance companies or government coffers.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude

Like I said, it's doing what it was designed to do. Insurance companies are actually seeing record profits and they get to pick and choose what markets they work in.


That's interesting.... I just read several articles this week about how nearly every insurance company is dropping Obamacare. If they were raking in record profits from it why would they do that?

This one is from my home state just last week:

Anthen Pulls out of Wisconsin and Indiana




Read your link. It tells you why they are leaving.

They are/were making good money on Obamacare and now that Trump and Republicans are trying to push this new bill, the insurance companies do not want to remain in markets that may not be profitable for them.




Not buying it. Insurance companies were leaving Obamacare long before Trump was even running for office. And even when he was running EVERYONE predicted Hillary would win in a land slide.

townhall.com... April 2016


The primary reason insurers are leaving Obamacare exchanges is cost. ACA provisions—notably the individual mandate, the requirement insurers must cover pre-existing conditions, and coverage requirements—are leading to higher enrollment rates for more expensive, traditionally uninsured Americans without increasing the pool of younger, healthier health insurance consumers, many of whom are finding Obamacare too expensive.



There's dozens more articles stating the same thing. All before Trump. All stating they are pulling out due to the unsustainable cost model.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: network dude

People don't want to be responsible any more.

they want the government to take care of them.

the Marxist/Socialist factions in this country are growing.

It's only a matter of time before every hospital is run like the DMV managed by the TSA.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi



There's dozens more articles stating the same thing. All before Trump. All stating they are pulling out due to the unsustainable cost model


That is true as well. This new bill by the Republicans just adds more flame to the fire.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


No. Not entirely.

The program itself was based on a program created by the Heritage Foundation. Obama wanted to include a single-payer/public option but took it out to compromise with the Republicans. That only left the preexisting conditions clause as Obama's only real contribution.

So there is a lot of blame to go around on this one, but the program itself was created by Republicans.


since no republicans voted for this turd why do you suppose it was necessary to please the right? This is your story, be sure to tell it right.


It is true that no republicans voted for the bill. Obama compromised with them and they threw him under the bus when it came time to vote for it.


LOL, you seem to have a different view of reality than historical records portrays. The ACA was passed without any republican votes, so no matter what senators were man to Barry, he didn't need them, he could smugly go about his business just as he did. # the will of the people.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WUNK22
It has been a dismal failure. My son who is 25 , can't get over29 hours at work because companies refuse to pay for health insurance now. This is with major businesses. Used to be just an added bonus, Obummer care has changed the face of the American work force, now please remove head from the sand.a reply to: introvert



I did not say that Obamacare was the best thing since sliced bread. It's actually garbage, if you ask me. But it is not failing because it is doing what it was designed to do by the Republicans at the Heritage Foundation.

It's designed to force money to government coffers or the pockets of the insurance companies. In those aspects, it's a complete success.


Wait, so Obamacare is the Republican's fault?


No. Not entirely.

The program itself was based on a program created by the Heritage Foundation. Obama wanted to include a single-payer/public option but took it out to compromise with the Republicans. That only left the preexisting conditions clause as Obama's only real contribution.

So there is a lot of blame to go around on this one, but the program itself was created by Republicans.


since no republicans voted for this turd why do you suppose it was necessary to please the right? This is your story, be sure to tell it right.


It is true that no republicans voted for the bill. Obama compromised with them and they threw him under the bus when it came time to vote for it.


LOL, you seem to have a different view of reality than historical records portrays. The ACA was passed without any republican votes, so no matter what senators were man to Barry, he didn't need them, he could smugly go about his business just as he did. # the will of the people.


Correct. He didn't need them, but he still comprised in order to get bipartisan support. He pulled the single-payer option off the table in order to keep the preexisting conditions clause.

When it came time to vote, there was no bipartisan support and the Republicans threw him under the bus in order to place the blame solely on the Democrats.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: introvert

They sure are..

I think it is the 80/20 rule..

It says that they cannot keep more than 20% as profits and they have to refund the rest.



Well I have gotten a refund every year so 20% must not be good enough for the one sector not preforming a medical function...




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