Voter ID, are there any good arguments against it other than fraud?

www.aclu.org...

a reply to: network dude


Well just so you understand what you are hearing when called a racist in rleationship with demanding ID

My problem is when there's one party that their whole MO is to target groups based specifically on their race & ethnicity, when the other parties dont.

The people they target should still have ID's though. Maybe they don't always use them, but it's virtually impossible to get by without one. Voting is the least of reasons why, and I suspect that most in the demographic who don't own ID, aren't in the demographic who care about voting.

I support voter ID primarily because I don't see anyone harmed by requiring an ID, I don't see any reason to not require an ID, and it would make a large group of people happy. It's basically somewhere between doing nothing and having a small upside, with no downside attached. So why not just do it? I think opposition primarily has to do with partisan bickering, but at the same time I'm skeptical that it would actually do anything. I'm also pretty sure that within the next 10 or 15 years every state will wind up requiring ID on their own.

In short, it's just not an issue I judge politicians by because it's essentially a non issue.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Pyle

Why should it be free, because voting is a right?

What about owning a gun, that needs to be free too then right?

Yeah damn it, when do I get my free gun?

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Pyle

How can there be millions of people too poor to go and get government benefits and all that sort of assistance, and will have the mobility / ID / Internet to get it, and would have the mobility and communications to get out to vote, but not being able to get an ID???

Your picture makes a whole lot of assumptions and contains a lot of errors.

* you don't need a photo ID to get a social security card. Babies are assigned them at birth, for instance.
* you may not need it to donate blood (I've never been asked but last time I donated was ten years ago or so.)
* you don't need a photo ID to attend a rally. I've gone to several including the Women's March in DC and the Science March in DC. Nobody "carded" me.

Now... as to the others...

* Voters who have hearing impairment may not be able to drive (I know several... and they're White.)
* There's a group of older poor White women who are are actually unlikely to have EVER held a drivers' license (which has happened to several friends my age) if they were married to a controlling man or were stuck in the position of staying home as unpaid help for a relative who was sick or disabled.
* ID laws for alcohol/cigarettes are new. In some locations they don't ask if you're clearly over 40, in other cases they have people buy these things for them.
* they may not fish or they may not fish legally
* you don't need any sort of ID if you stop for a free puppy or kitten (or whatever.)

The other items you list are mostly things that only someone with money or privilege would do (and remember, we're arguing that this disadvantages the poor and disabled... not people with enough money to ride an airplane and stay at a hotel.) They're also things that only a few people do (wild horses couldn't drag me into a casino to gamble! I don't like the noise and I don't like the odds.)

And, of course, you're assuming that everyone in the nation buys computer games/PS2 games. This is not true, particularly for older voters.

The voter who's disadvantaged is likely to be poor, have a menial job, and rely on public transportation. They can't get to a drivers' license place to apply for 'photo ID' very often (at the Carrollton one here near Dallas we waited for about two hours for a non-drivers photo ID... there were that many people lined up there.) For Native Americans, the situation is even worse.

And then there's the issue of trying to get to the polls. They may not know they can request a mail in ballot or even know how to get one.

Yet they have opinions and they want a say in what happens.

These people are young, old, all races, and all natural-born American citizens. At one time here in Texas all we needed was some form of ID or a paid bill... and they were lenient about it. Now they want a strict name match (which gave some of us married women... including me... an annoying time) and photo ID (not inconvenient for me but inconvenient for some I know)

So your meme there needs some revision. [/quote
tldr

If you don't have ID, you don't get to vote.
Period.

a reply to: face23785

Liberals won't touch that response. They ignore it.

originally posted by: face23785
Yeah damn it, when do I get my free gun?

About the same time my digital files can be free from search and seizure without a warrant.

a reply to: Aazadan

Deal. Call your congressman.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: intrepid

It's a shame to hear ya'll up thar in Canadia a bunch a racists, eh?

We just assume that all our minorities are smart enough to know how to get ID. 😉
Or smart enough to ask someone else (a service agency) how to get ID.

The minorities in the states need ID just to walk down the street, I thought. Aren't they getting checked out by law enforcement a lot?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Pyle

Why should it be free, because voting is a right?

What about owning a gun, that needs to be free too then right?

Yeah damn it, when do I get my free gun?

Because you dont get your gun from the government. You get your IDs from the government.

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Pyle

Why should it be free, because voting is a right?

What about owning a gun, that needs to be free too then right?

Yeah damn it, when do I get my free gun?

Because you dont get your gun from the government. You get your IDs from the government.

So if you need those to purchase a gun, the ID must be free, right? As well as any permits required?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: face23785

Liberals won't touch that response. They ignore it.

American liberals are weird. They're not very "liberal" anymore.....
There's a country north of you, with tons of liberals, who love their guns. And wish they were free. Or at least way less expensive. Ammo costs too much too.......

a reply to: snowspirit

Liberals are fine, progressives are the problem.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes, I think some of your fellow countrypeople have lost the plot.
It's weird to watch. Even Canadian news reports on American news, because there's so much more going on down there. You guys used to seem so normal, and sane, but the last few years.....

America has the ability to make sure everyone has a free piece of ID suitable for voting, for the few that might not have it. There's so many stupid little things that just take a good database system, and a small group of people to just get the job done. (Canada too, for stupid little things)
I hate it when governments waste money arguing and studying about whether it should be done, or try to tell people that it can't be done, when it's something so small and easy.

It the 21st century, and it's not rocket science.

a reply to: snowspirit

They don't want it, they WANT illegals/non citizens to vote. The study they cite to say it doesn't happen is crazy, if someone told the author they were an illegal citizen and they voted then they were counted as being a LEGAL USE CITIZEN if the illegal used the name of a legal citizen fraudulently. So the author listed that as no illegal voted even though the illegal admitted it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: snowspirit

They don't want it, they WANT illegals/non citizens to vote. The study they cite to say it doesn't happen is crazy, if someone told the author they were an illegal citizen and they voted then they were counted as being a LEGAL USE CITIZEN if the illegal used the name of a legal citizen fraudulently. So the author listed that as no illegal voted even though the illegal admitted it.

why don't you all go get a civics lesson, and go down to your county or city register of voters and see how they process the verification of legal voters. there is ongoing voter suppression in the southern states of the US, to keep minorities from voting....there has been case after case brought before federal courts that this is happening.....google is your friend

a reply to: jimmyx

Yawn.

Millions of noncitizens may have voted.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Now do you think only white people are smart enough to get an ID, are black people too stupid?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: jimmyx

Yawn.

Millions of noncitizens may have voted.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Now do you think only white people are smart enough to get an ID, are black people too stupid?

millions of white southerners MAY have voted twice, too, but, they didn't, no proof.....but continue on with you fearmongering....and keep saying it over, and over, and over, that worked on trump voters.

a reply to: network dude


What else you need?

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: jimmyx

Yawn.

Millions of noncitizens may have voted.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Now do you think only white people are smart enough to get an ID, are black people too stupid?

millions of white southerners MAY have voted twice, too, but, they didn't, no proof.....but continue on with you fearmongering....and keep saying it over, and over, and over, that worked on trump voters.

all the more reason we need voter Id's then if that can be happening. Thanks for piling on the reasons this needs to happen now.