Voter ID, are there any good arguments against it other than fraud?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: intrepid

It's a shame to hear ya'll up thar in Canadia a bunch a racists, eh?

I think its necesary for a fair democracy, but dude seriously stop foaming at the mouth.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: watchitburn

Everyone needs to watch this video - I'm breaking it out every time a libtard pulls the 'racist' card. (Hint: Libtards are hyper-racists of the tallest order and this video, and their own brainwashed words, are a testament to this FACT)

You can't get to the point any clearer than this video. These liberal progressives are the actual racists.

a reply to: Aazadan

Well it sounds like you have some principles about it at least.

My problem is when there's one party that their whole MO is to target groups based specifically on their race & ethnicity, when the other parties dont.

Endless long term pitfalls I could list out over that general concept, but lets try to keep it specific to this discussion of voter eligibility, Can you see the long term pitfalls to the sanctity of a nation with one party out there exclusively doing that, when they also happen to be the open borders policy? How isn't that anti-(whatever nation such a situation was happening in)???

Now when we bring in the ultimate irony that for all of their 'pro-poor people' posturing, the Dem politicians / party / etc are all bought and paid for puppets of all the same kinds of corporate interests as the GOP + MSM, I see why some clever devils out crafted the term "liberal pretzel logic".

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

I suppose a mish mash of bastard southern redneck accent vernacular + Canadian accent vernacular would be tantamount to "foaming at the mouth".

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Pyle

How do people bank or gain employment without a basic ID? Even Government benefits require some form of ID. I think this is just an excuse.

Pre paid debit cards and under the table work.

Source: I've been poor and homeless with no ID.

So why would we want people evading taxes, committing a felony, to vote?

In reference to the poor aspect,

My 71 year old mother lives off $854 a month in SS, has a mortgage and gets NO government assistance at all (unless you count the SS that she earned as assistance). She has no other source of income and RARELY needs help from myself or my siblings.

No SNAP or EBT (whatever it's called).
No Medicaid
No free phone (she has an iPhone 6 that SHE paid for).

She had her ID to vote.

If she can afford to pay for an ID, I believe the vast majority of Americans can.

originally posted by: abago71
In reference to the poor aspect,

My 71 year old mother lives off $854 a month in SS, has a mortgage and gets NO government assistance at all (unless you count the SS that she earned as assistance). She has no other source of income and RARELY needs help from myself or my siblings.

No SNAP or EBT (whatever it's called).
No Medicaid
No free phone (she has an iPhone 6 that SHE paid for).

She had her ID to vote.

If she can afford to pay for an ID, I believe the vast majority of Americans can.

Needs repeated SEVERAL times for those so brain washed by Cultural Marxism to destroy the privileges that they themselves enjoy?

You guys do realise that taking a video off YouTube and saying 'all libtards are like this', is exactly the same thing as taking that video of neo nazis giving the nazi salute and shouting Heil trump, and saying 'all trump supporters are literally nazis'?

Can we not have one political thread that doesn't devolve into bashing anybody that's not on the far right?

a reply to: Painterz

So they totally bombed when they were challenge to explain their rationale.

Can you explain the rationale without bombing?

I think that it would be good to have a national ID. Starting at 1 years of age and then every 5 years you get a new picture. Thus, the IDs would be issued at 1,6,11,16,21 etc. The IDs should have a new unique number associated with the IDs. This number can be a new form of identification and will be used only for government issues only. The photos will be part of a national database and can be used for amber alerts and missing persons.

This ID will be free; as in this is a government program and will be paid for by taxes.

I know the 1 to 5 years old will look very different from their picture but after that, it should be a reasonable likeness to the person. Like I said this could be used for missing person and other issues.

I can't think of any good reason to oppose a voter ID requirement, especially if the state or federal government provides the ID for free. As someone earlier said, the other stuff is just the opposition making excuses. The fact that a certain political group is so stridently against it very strongly suggests to me that the current lack of an ID requirement is being used to facilitate voter fraud.

a reply to: network dude

There is no relevant argument for not having a proper 'ID required' voter system in this day and age.

I doubt any will/can provide proof, or even an affirmative defense in the argument against voter ID as a requirement.

Who has fought for the ID laws and who has fought against; blatantly
speaks volumes

mg

So, 3 pages of this, and no one has been able to say why ID is 'bad.'

As far as I know, in every state you can get a 'voter ID' card that is free if you don't have a license, etc.

Now, do I believe there were 3 million or so illegals that voted in the last election - no. Does it happen - yes.

If the democrats were really smart they'd move about 20k people to each Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and (Ohio?) and Hillary woulda won.

(p.s. I wanted Kasich - who I voted for in the primary. But was gonna vote AGAINST Hillary no matter what)

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Pyle

How can there be millions of people too poor to go and get government benefits and all that sort of assistance, and will have the mobility / ID / Internet to get it, and would have the mobility and communications to get out to vote, but not being able to get an ID???

Your picture makes a whole lot of assumptions and contains a lot of errors.

* you don't need a photo ID to get a social security card. Babies are assigned them at birth, for instance.
* you may not need it to donate blood (I've never been asked but last time I donated was ten years ago or so.)
* you don't need a photo ID to attend a rally. I've gone to several including the Women's March in DC and the Science March in DC. Nobody "carded" me.

Now... as to the others...

* Voters who have hearing impairment may not be able to drive (I know several... and they're White.)
* There's a group of older poor White women who are are actually unlikely to have EVER held a drivers' license (which has happened to several friends my age) if they were married to a controlling man or were stuck in the position of staying home as unpaid help for a relative who was sick or disabled.
* ID laws for alcohol/cigarettes are new. In some locations they don't ask if you're clearly over 40, in other cases they have people buy these things for them.
* they may not fish or they may not fish legally
* you don't need any sort of ID if you stop for a free puppy or kitten (or whatever.)

The other items you list are mostly things that only someone with money or privilege would do (and remember, we're arguing that this disadvantages the poor and disabled... not people with enough money to ride an airplane and stay at a hotel.) They're also things that only a few people do (wild horses couldn't drag me into a casino to gamble! I don't like the noise and I don't like the odds.)

And, of course, you're assuming that everyone in the nation buys computer games/PS2 games. This is not true, particularly for older voters.

The voter who's disadvantaged is likely to be poor, have a menial job, and rely on public transportation. They can't get to a drivers' license place to apply for 'photo ID' very often (at the Carrollton one here near Dallas we waited for about two hours for a non-drivers photo ID... there were that many people lined up there.) For Native Americans, the situation is even worse.

And then there's the issue of trying to get to the polls. They may not know they can request a mail in ballot or even know how to get one.

Yet they have opinions and they want a say in what happens.

These people are young, old, all races, and all natural-born American citizens. At one time here in Texas all we needed was some form of ID or a paid bill... and they were lenient about it. Now they want a strict name match (which gave some of us married women... including me... an annoying time) and photo ID (not inconvenient for me but inconvenient for some I know)

So your meme there needs some revision.

a reply to: Byrd
Just my anecdotal experience, I have both donated and sold full blood and plasma and always needed an ID.


In general, I agree with having to show an ID to vote. But I think using any data obtained through that process should be limited to the point of nonexistence. Essentially, you show your ID, you vote. End of story. No information going flowing through countless unnamed corporations or buying/selling your information for research of any kind. And anyone doing anything shady whatsoever with that information should be punished harshly.

And manipulation of anything related to the voting process should be met with serious punishment as well. No matter whether it's an individual, corporation, or other. Anyone messing with the process should see lengthy prison time.

a reply to: Byrd

so in the example of the invalids you spoke of, you don't think that within say, 4 years time, they could have found a nice person, like you, to take them to get their free id? They will need someone to drive them to the polls, if not, then they don't need an id for a mail in ballot. But it will be delivered to their house, and providing they are still alive, can vote legally.

But kudos for stretching like you did in the first part. That was exhausting.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: face23785

That was some dirty shia'ite that went down in FL that year.

What I learned from that event was that regardless of who or what, the GOP party + supporters were willing to embrace fudged numbers if so be it to win.

What I learned this year was that the DNC was willing to have FAKE votes across the nation in order to win.

And there goes another pitfall of Us vs. Them Two party Divide & Conquer partisansnip. But another example of in practice over the long run partisansnip one of the greatest enemies of democracy that is conceivable.

It's actually not as dirty as is generally believed. Read the wikipedia page on it. Once you look at how all the counting is done, and how many recounts were done, and how many different ways it was done, you realize Bush was the legit winner. Bush won every recount except one, and for that one they changed the rules and counted the ballots in a completely different, very specific way that's never been used and isn't consistent with the established rules and laws because counting that way can result in erroneous counts.

originally posted by: network dude
Voter ID is a topic that intrigues me. It's common sense and the fact that it's not a law in all states already surprises me. When this topic comes up, the word "racist" creeps in. I'd love to hear the argument for that, as it's not rooted in reality by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason I can see to oppose voter ID is the willful want to commit fraud. If there is a good reason why someone should be allowed to vote without proving who they are, I'd like to hear it.

There's actually a video out there where a guy interviews (white) people who basically admit they think voter ID is bad because they believe black people cannot get ID's. The obvious insinuation is they are too poor or stupid or both. Then he goes to the black community and asks them what they think about said white people believing blacks cannot get proper identification. It was pretty humorous! Needless to say the black people couldn't understand why anyone thinks they would be incapable of getting ID.

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: network dude
Voter ID is a topic that intrigues me. It's common sense and the fact that it's not a law in all states already surprises me. When this topic comes up, the word "racist" creeps in. I'd love to hear the argument for that, as it's not rooted in reality by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason I can see to oppose voter ID is the willful want to commit fraud. If there is a good reason why someone should be allowed to vote without proving who they are, I'd like to hear it.

There's actually a video out there where a guy interviews (white) people who basically admit they think voter ID is bad because they believe black people cannot get ID's. The obvious insinuation is they are too poor or stupid or both. Then he goes to the black community and asks them what they think about said white people believing blacks cannot get proper identification. It was pretty humorous! Needless to say the black people couldn't understand why anyone thinks they would be incapable of getting ID.

a reply to: Pyle

Why should it be free, because voting is a right?

What about owning a gun, that needs to be free too then right?