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Crazy! House wants even MORE defense spending.

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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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This is utterly wasteful. Trump already increased defense spending by 9% compared to Obama levels, now House wants to add 18.9 billion MORE. All that money could have been used to help keep medicaid intact to benefit the poor class as they cut Obamacare taxes to benefit the middle class. Then they say, wah wah but we don't have the money to help the poor. BS. They are spending so much on defense when they don't NEED to. The US army doesn't need new toys. It has plenty enough.

www.reuters.com...




posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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I'd have to look up the numbers, but will that increase even get defense back to the level it was when Obama took office?



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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There is always money for War. Even if it means decades more debt for the commoner.

Get with the programme.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

They are throwing good money after bad. Unless the leadership within the top echelons of the military changes it is wasted money. Obama neutered our military by appointing apologist "yes men" and as far as I am aware none of those people have been replaced. Prime example is what just happened recently with the USS Fitzgerald. How the hell does a commander allow a US destroyer to be t-boned?

Complete incompetence all the way down to the field level across our military. Fire them all and bring in commanding officers who are not politicians.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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Is this really a surprise? The war drums have been beating for a while now and ever since Trump took office they've been kicked into high gear.

The MIC and war machine always win while the little guy loses, this is how it has always been and will always be for as long as we are here. Hopefully I'm wrong and we find a reason to change but for now war makes some people lots of money and the MIC has a lot of pull in government.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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One thing in the bill that is unequivocally "good" in my book:


The proposal also includes defense acquisition reform measures that would change how the Pentagon buys services and would allow the military to buy commercial off the shelf products from existing business to business e-commerce markets, such as Amazon.com Inc or W W Grainger Inc.


It would be nice to not see guys have to spend their own money on gear that's commercially available but they're not "allowed" to purchase using the unit's P-Card.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

The USA is being threatened on all sides.

Obama cut defense spending.

So, yeah, it makes sense President Trump is going to do all he can to PROTECT YOUR ASS AND MINE and the safety of the USA.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: allsee4eye

The USA is being threatened on all sides.

Obama cut defense spending.

So, yeah, it makes sense President Trump is going to do all he can to PROTECT YOUR ASS AND MINE and the safety of the USA.




Hahahaha

Even with current spending the USA has enough of a military to take on 5 of the top military in the world at the same time! And 3 of those of the top 5 are US Allies UK, France and saudi arabia!

You could cut your military in half and still protect the USA
against china and Russia simultaneously.

Your arse is about as protected as it can get!

The USA is not going to fail by foriegn powers, its your internal problems you need to watch.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

But they can't fund healthcare for everyone?

Anyone that say this country can't is full of crap.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: allsee4eye

They are throwing good money after bad. Unless the leadership within the top echelons of the military changes it is wasted money. Obama neutered our military by appointing apologist "yes men" and as far as I am aware none of those people have been replaced. Prime example is what just happened recently with the USS Fitzgerald. How the hell does a commander allow a US destroyer to be t-boned?

Complete incompetence all the way down to the field level across our military. Fire them all and bring in commanding officers who are not politicians.



Lol so the Fitzgerald was Obama's fault??

There have been naval blunders by incompetent captains since there have been naval vessels. It has nothing to do with Obama, just like it has nothing to do with Trump. After the investigation is complete we'll know what happened.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Problem is that everyone only ever deals in top level numbers... if the money does not make it to the boys and girls who are boots on the ground the increase means squat.. But you can bet your left nut that the first things cut are things that are needed at the boots on the ground level.

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The over all budget in DoD has needed a look at for decades... the problem is very little has been done to fix things at the upper level.

that nugget that Shamrock posted might be the first thing I have seen in a very long time that makes sense in regards to the budget.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Outlier13

The issues with the military can hardly be laid at Obama's feet. Remember that it was under Bush that over a trillion dollars got misplaced by the Pentagon. And even in the 70s the military was spending almost $100,000 on a 50 ft aluminum ladder. There's a reason Eisenhower warned us about the MIC back in the 50s.

Is the military the most wasteful part of the government by a large margin? Definitely. Is this a recent development? Unfortunately, no.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: crazyewok

Problem is that everyone only ever deals in top level numbers... if the money does not make it to the boys and girls who are boots on the ground the increase means squat.. But you can bet your left nut that the first things cut are things that are needed at the boots on the ground level.

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The over all budget in DoD has needed a look at for decades... the problem is very little has been done to fix things at the upper level.

that nugget that Shamrock posted might be the first thing I have seen in a very long time that makes sense in regards to the budget.



Thats the thing 600 billion spent Wisley is going to be better than 1 trillion spent badly.

Tgats why other nations are catching up, albit slowly, not because the UK doesn't spend enough but because it wastes what it does spend.

Russia already produces missle systems better than the USA now, and does so a fraction of the price. UK has some of the best submarines and destroyers and our budget is 1/10 yours.

Its not money thats the problem in the USA, its corruption.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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That's right. The US Constitution stipulates that the government will provide for the common defense, not give everybody food stamps and welfare. The US spends 1 trillion a year on welfare, far more than the defense budget



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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We have plenty of money in the DOD, the problem is that we don't spend it effectively.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: allsee4eye

So, yeah, it makes sense President Trump is going to do all he can to PROTECT YOUR ASS AND MINE and the safety of the USA.


and the shareholders of military equipment manufacturing co's and defense contractors too



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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If they cant get the job done spending like 10x what the next closest spending country does, then we need new people, not new spending.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
That's right. The US Constitution stipulates that the government will provide for the common defense, not give everybody food stamps and welfare. The US spends 1 trillion a year on welfare, far more than the defense budget


WAIT.

You CANNOT possibly be serious?





The federal government spends just $212 billion per year on what we could reasonably call “welfare.”


Here


Do YOU consider PUBLIC roads "welfare"? That Trillion dollar number includes public-funded SERVICES like...ROADS and PARKS.

Now compare that to:



In FY 2015, Pentagon and related spending totaled $598 billion


Here

And our MILITARY fights for Exxon and other CORPORATIONS ... not to keep US safe. NO country with military INVADING us dude...

WWII? SURE. After WWII?

US Imperialism, SELLING our troops as Mercs to CORPS for Military Industrial Complex $$$$
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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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You know what... Never mind. I agree with the OP, but, hey.... No sense in trying to explain to people why we already have a bloated military industrial complex... Americans live in perpetual fear of government created "bogeymen."
edit on 27-6-2017 by SpeakerofTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Bull#... You better look at the discretionary spending pie chart



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