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The Death of The Left's Religion and The 5 Stages of Grief

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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: six67seven

You forgot Stage 6:

Violence




posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: six67seven

Look at how many times trump has mislead the American people on his twitter feed! Full of lies and contradictions! He told you the Russia story was fake, and they did not hack our elections for months, I am NOT talking about collusion, just that the Russians hacked us! He lied and said it was fake news!


Surely you went on a crusade against CNN too, right??


The right wing REFUSE to see that is not okay! Our Democratic process's were hacked! Now that there is
no denying that, once again he points the finger at Obama! My point is he KNEW damn good and well we were hacked and lied about it anyway!

No no no Obama said our election couldn't be hacked, wait, then he said it was hacked by Russians. So he's wrong twice... or did he just lie twice. Did you wag your finger at Obama's lies???


At this point in time, as president he should be doing everything he can to make sure it does not happen again. Instead he just blames Obama. OK, Your the president now FIX IT instead of BLAMING!!!!! I have NEVER seen a president do so much whining in my life!

We are FAR from dead!!


Care to give him some time to fix it or do you just like screaming??

You said you have never seen a president do so much whining, I think you meant winning.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: six67seven

The big bad left??? That never existed in the first place.

This whole premise is all based off your own skewed perception and your ideological feelings being threatened.

You've created some sort of perceived enemy that apparently you now think has been destroyed from your righteous courage of finally standing against it. Both of which is all in your head.

The big bad left. LOL



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
"The left" is at this point dying, having replaced itself with something different, something that is contradictory to its old principles, the same principles that have now been pushed to the right. If they only knew that they are still required. There is still work to do. They have all but killed their own inheritance, their own culture, but to a point where their own leaders seek to replace it with another. They have yet to shed their faith in "progress", and in so doing, have destroyed themselves.

The Russian affair was a charade all along. All of it happened on their own leader's watch, due to their own leader's incompetence, due to their own candidate's and party's incompetence, and still lack the self-awareness to admit any of it. They refuse to hold the guilty parties accountable for what they themselves let happen, despite knowing about it, despite watching it happen, all while seeking to blame their little bogey man, whom has had nothing to do with it.



if that is true, i hope something will rise from the ashes and find itself complemented by a similarly evolved incarnation of the republican platform.


We will need the left soon once the Islamification of the world reaches a precipice. I hope they have the balls to return and to stand up for what they once believed in.


i dont think islam is so great a threat as all that. not enough time has passed since other religious factions demonstrated how spirituality can bring out the worst in humankind. at worst, certain parts of the world will be closed off by their own designation and isolated from more progressive cultures. democratic/liberal/"left" ideology is needed as more than just a buffer for religious zealotry and conservative practice. i am of the opinion that what we are observing are symptoms of a two party system gradually becoming outdated, and as time goes on we will realize the two are distant perspectives of a central platform, and trying to amputate either will impair government and sociopolitics as a whole. there are enough camps trying to tear everyone apart and scatter the community. this is not a time for walls, but bridges. butter battles can only be lost.
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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:57 AM
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Metaphorical walls, sure, but literal ones are still required, like the one they are now building around the Eiffel Tower for instance. If the country refuses to defend its borders, even with a wall, they'll have to build a wall around everything within the country.

I think the left-right paradigm is still fitting, perhaps too vague, but no less still offers a decent spectrum on which to place political parties. The key is not to become too defensive over this or that word, as if it explained everything about us. It becomes tribal when we get defensive over these words.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: six67seven

The big bad left??? That never existed in the first place.

This whole premise is all based off your own skewed perception and your ideological feelings being threatened.


Nope, through observation actually.

I dont see the left as the enemy...as i stated in the OP, they need our compassion. I don't feel threatened by anything pertaining to the left... they are the ones feeling threatened by Trump and his agenda.


You've created some sort of perceived enemy that apparently you now think has been destroyed from your righteous courage of finally standing against it. Both of which is all in your head.

The big bad left. LOL


The big bad left is not a phrase I came up with and only used it in response to someone 'on the left' who used it a page back. Try to keep up.

Thanks for letting me know whats in MY head.

Are you currently in stage 2 or 3 of grief??
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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: six67seven

The big bad left??? That never existed in the first place.

This whole premise is all based off your own skewed perception and your ideological feelings being threatened.

You've created some sort of perceived enemy that apparently you now think has been destroyed from your righteous courage of finally standing against it. Both of which is all in your head.

The big bad left. LOL

Perfectly said.




posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: six67seven

LOL.

You're telling half the country what's in their heads!!! LOL. Look in the mirror bro.

LOL.

So you didn't come up with the phrase, the big bad left. Fine. So when you use it, who exactly does that apply to??? Because I don't think the Left has ever been considered the Big Bad Left by anyone.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

Metaphorical walls, sure, but literal ones are still required, like the one they are now building around the Eiffel Tower for instance. If the country refuses to defend its borders, even with a wall, they'll have to build a wall around everything within the country.

I think the left-right paradigm is still fitting, perhaps too vague, but no less still offers a decent spectrum on which to place political parties. The key is not to become too defensive over this or that word, as if it explained everything about us. It becomes tribal when we get defensive over these words.


my issue with the paradigm is that its very nature implies a competitive quality to what is supposed to be a team exercise. players end up chasing each other instead of the ball until everyone forgets that they have a common goal and instead focus on de facto enemies. the language you refer to is a passive aggressive tactic constantly reminding all participants that they are not regarded as equal or even helpful, and that the two party system is more a formality than anything else. the dogs need to pull the sled as a functional unit instead of trying to drag it in two different directions simultaneously out of a sense of oneupmanship. this is a country, not a company. a community not a business. this ought to be reflected in every corner of the board and not just public addresses. at this point, it feels like "left" and "right" are puppet shows arranged by the public to mock our representatives and their agencies.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: six67seven

LOL.

You're telling half the country what's in their heads!!! LOL. Look in the mirror bro.

LOL.

So you didn't come up with the phrase, the big bad left. Fine. So when you use it, who exactly does that apply to??? Because I don't think the Left has ever been considered the Big Bad Left by anyone.


Half the country who has been on board with impeaching the president ... over what??

I know what I stand for in terms of politics. The question is, what does the left stand for.

I appreciate the spin tactic in order for the thread to become about me, but it isn't about me. It's about the lie of Russia collusion that the left ate for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day for the last 8 months. Its about the leadership, or whats left of it, of the left. Who is leading the Democratic party? nancy, a clinton, ossoff, obama, soros, maxine, schumer, wasserman-schultz?????

There aren't dozens of threads and articles about my identity... but there are about the left today.

This mirror thing... I hope it catches on with the left.

What does the left stand for and who within the DNC represents that?]



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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For someone who thinks they know so much you sure ask a lot of questions.

I'm not a Dem so I don't know what the Democratic Party is up to exactly or who's leading it.

As always, you're looking for easy answers to complex questions also. You honestly need to stop viewing stuff as "The Left" or "The Right" because those are nothing but arbitrary labels that basically mean very little. That's why asking what the "Left" stands for can't and won't be answered accurately. There is no such thing as "The Left" that is some cohesive group with a single ideology. That is a partisan myth that's been created. Reality doesn't work like that. People don't work like that.

It's a false label that simply allows others to group people into fake boxes and attack them under false assumptions. You should have figured that out by now.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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Politics is division by definition. Anything less is conformity and consensus. The dialectic of history requires the thesis and antithesis for the sake of the synthesis. I think we should be proud that at most, it leads to debate and disputation, where it once led to violence and terror.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Where do you get the idea I think I know so much...because I authored a satirical opinionated thread?? I'll be the first to tell you my knowledge is limited in many areas.

2nd, let's say that it's true - I'm looking for answers to complex questions. What's the harm in that? A problem I often see, is that most people don't care to answer questions thrown in their direction, but simply move the goalposts or deflect. Anyway, I think most of us are looking for answers about many things every moment of every day. There are no dumb (complex) questions.

In particular, if enough people who identify themselves as left-leaning, whatever you want to call it, provide examples of their principles within politics, a picture would begin to form as to what they stand for.

Left/right paradigm: it exists... when voting, who do 90-95% of people vote for...either an R or a D. Is it prohibitive? Sometimes. Is it a label - yes, but not necessarily false all the time.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

Politics is division by definition. Anything less is conformity and consensus. The dialectic of history requires the thesis and antithesis for the sake of the synthesis. I think we should be proud that at most, it leads to debate and disputation, where it once led to violence and terror.


the violence and terror has only gotten marginally quieter and more plausibly sophisticated. which basically amounts to a little less obvious and a little more pretentious. we use more words and less bullets, causing more invisible wounds and less treatable injuries. it is a simple matter to address the flesh as opposed to healing mental sickness and social rifts. this is why it is so important to understand the difference between dissent and derision. it would be far more productive for both ends of the paradigm to acknowledge that they share a basis with plenty of room for innovation and maneuvering in the spirit of a common vision, and not a battle royale platform where the only way forward is to make sure someone is left behind so to speak. division is not degradation, polarization is not patronization. splitting a country so one half can step on the other for the sake of progress is an oxymoron. this inevitably breeds resentment in a manner that seems almost deliberate and contrary to the spirit of synthesis.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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Where you are mistaken, is that you don't see the left/right paradigm as a falsity...
A manufactured psy-op.

Which it is.

The vast majority of people are centrists trying to be heard amongst the noise of the fascists (left & right)...


Most people, even on this site, have beliefs that align with the "left" & the "right"...

Example, I believe in a socialist economy with a sprinkling of capitalism...
I believe abortion is wrong morally, but I would never legislate it...
I believe gun rights are paramount to a free society...
I think military spending is bloated...
But I support the troops...
Yet I hate the MIC agenda and wars they've put our people through...



Now... you tell me if I'm "left" or "right" when you consider all that.


Left and Right is nothing more than a clever psy-op created by men, like race, and all other identity politics.


It's all a sham while the rich get richer, the workers pay for everyone and the poor suffer.

That is the system.
Not "Left & "Right"... but Class warfare.


And they're winning.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

Politics is division by definition. Anything less is conformity and consensus. The dialectic of history requires the thesis and antithesis for the sake of the synthesis. I think we should be proud that at most, it leads to debate and disputation, where it once led to violence and terror.


the violence and terror has only gotten marginally quieter and more plausibly sophisticated. which basically amounts to a little less obvious and a little more pretentious. we use more words and less bullets, causing more invisible wounds and less treatable injuries. it is a simple matter to address the flesh as opposed to healing mental sickness and social rifts. this is why it is so important to understand the difference between dissent and derision. it would be far more productive for both ends of the paradigm to acknowledge that they share a basis with plenty of room for innovation and maneuvering in the spirit of a common vision, and not a battle royale platform where the only way forward is to make sure someone is left behind so to speak. division is not degradation, polarization is not patronization. splitting a country so one half can step on the other for the sake of progress is an oxymoron. this inevitably breeds resentment in a manner that seems almost deliberate and contrary to the spirit of synthesis.


originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: TzarChasm

Politics is division by definition. Anything less is conformity and consensus. The dialectic of history requires the thesis and antithesis for the sake of the synthesis. I think we should be proud that at most, it leads to debate and disputation, where it once led to violence and terror.


You two are killing it!!


I love the conversation you're currently having.

Keep it up! Very thoughtful!



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: six67seven
a reply to: mOjOm

Where do you get the idea I think I know so much...because I authored a satirical opinionated thread?? I'll be the first to tell you my knowledge is limited in many areas.


Oh, I see. So this is just satire now. Just a little joke in other words. I guess I got confused since when others opposed the premise of your OP you seemed to defend it as if we should actually take you seriously. Because taking you serious about what you wrote here doesn't come across as a joke at all but more like some kind of passive/aggressive circle jerk which is becoming all too common around here.


2nd, let's say that it's true - I'm looking for answers to complex questions. What's the harm in that? A problem I often see, is that most people don't care to answer questions thrown in their direction, but simply move the goalposts or deflect. Anyway, I think most of us are looking for answers about many things every moment of every day. There are no dumb (complex) questions.


Nothing wrong with wanting complex questions answered. But you have to accept that those answers won't be found when starting from a position of opposition to the subject matter. It's quite clear that what you classify as the "left" represents all sorts of ideas that you oppose. When that is your starting point I doubt there is much chance of you taking an unbiased view in learning about it. At the same time, judging by this OP, you also seem to think you know the "Left" already and what they think and have no decided to aid them in some kind of healing process for which you assume they're actually going through.


In particular, if enough people who identify themselves as left-leaning, whatever you want to call it, provide examples of their principles within politics, a picture would begin to form as to what they stand for.


Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of them who are trying to show and discuss their principles to others. However, that doesn't mean anyone actually listens to them does it. Most simply ignore what is being said and continue along with their own internal narrative instead. At best they might extract some bits here and there that add to their narrative when it suits them. But that only increases that false narrative and embeds it deeper.


Left/right paradigm: it exists... when voting, who do 90-95% of people vote for...either an R or a D. Is it prohibitive? Sometimes. Is it a label - yes, but not necessarily false all the time.


It exists as what is obviously a very destructive perspective which people continue to build upon knowing full well how inaccurate and unstable it is. Why keep doing that??? I mean we could also just view time as simply a rotation of Night and Day. But that wouldn't exactly be an accurate way to track time would it??? Sure, it works to some degree but leaves out many other details that would leave out the changing of seasons, days, months, holidays, etc. It would be totally useless in understanding the passage of time for anything other than when to sleep and when to wake up.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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One down one to go (far right theocrats). Jk. sjws and theocrats arent going away no matter how much id like them to.

What America really needs is a pragmatic centrist party (not neocons)



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No the left isn't dying. The so called right ones just need a new name to make fun of a group and marginalize them into a form of lower class citizens.
There's always a them and us and when them can't be beat they just pick on someone else.


The left has been treating the right with the same invective for decades. You reap what you sow. Today's Right is the Left's fault.


You're joking right?

I can name a few where people who are not considered the 'left' have literally attempted to wipe out entire ethnicity, attempted to take over the world, and nationalism turning into out right racism and ethnic cleansing.
Left ideology has far less of a track record compared to the alt right.
But, apparently everyone and their uncle who doesn't share conservative nationalist views on life is shoved deep into the left with the communists and socialists.

Once again, labeling 'them' as the boogy man when they haven't done anything at all. It's just name blaming for the sake of pointing the problem at someone, ever think it's you?



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 05:01 PM
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No I'm not joking, and referencing things that happened long before communism and the left killed millions, leaving a legacy far worse and far greater in scope and body count, one that reverberates today, doesn't hold too much weight with me anymore. The left tends to disguise that fact, sometimes refusing to mention it at all.

Marx is still one of the most widely distributed books in universities. Can't say the same about the far right, which were rightly eradicated and discredited by all sides. You know nothing of track record because the left doesn't learn from its mistakes, it doesn't teach its mistakes. They don't mention the gulags, the official lie, the horrific conditions, the failure of central management, because they do not even to this day care to remember them.



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