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posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

I guess you perhaps have misread me I am definitely against universal health care. But the system we had before the ACA, and the ACA sucked too.

I have not once defended it. My contention is we need a more free market system that would get corrupt insurance companies out of the mix.

Again, I bring up the example of Lasik surgery, which is totally outside of insurance, and not only has the quality increased significantly, but while the cost of almost every other procedure went through the roof, its costs has gone considerably down and continues to fall.




posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: Grambler



I understand the taxes just fine. I understand that the total numbers given for the UK system the entirety of the income tax.


What?



I am not ignorant of economics, unlike you who think that the unemployment number is really 4.4%, something so astounding that even a person with almost no knowledge of economics could realize is a joke.


Logical fallacy, but that's ok. I understand how the rate is calculated.



There are other factors that will make the US system more expensive. Obesity, the fact that doctors get paid more, are just a few. Again, it seems likely that the US would at least be paying as much in toatal taxes per person as the UK after universal care.


Yet, the UK is doing just fine...if we believe your numbers.



Given these huge differences, the best thing to do would be to look at universal plans that have been suggested in the US, such as Bernies plan, an see what it would cost.


Cool. Now you are willing to look at these plans.




But I forgot, your super secret plan is way different and better than Bernies (you havent mentioned how yet). Have you reached out to congress yet to let them know you have single handedly developed a super secret plan that will solve health care?


And then you go full derp again.

Put the beers down. Pick it up tomorrow.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



I understand the taxes just fine. I understand that the total numbers given for the UK system the entirety of the income tax.


What?



I am not ignorant of economics, unlike you who think that the unemployment number is really 4.4%, something so astounding that even a person with almost no knowledge of economics could realize is a joke.


Logical fallacy, but that's ok. I understand how the rate is calculated.



There are other factors that will make the US system more expensive. Obesity, the fact that doctors get paid more, are just a few. Again, it seems likely that the US would at least be paying as much in toatal taxes per person as the UK after universal care.


Yet, the UK is doing just fine...if we believe your numbers.



Given these huge differences, the best thing to do would be to look at universal plans that have been suggested in the US, such as Bernies plan, an see what it would cost.


Cool. Now you are willing to look at these plans.




But I forgot, your super secret plan is way different and better than Bernies (you havent mentioned how yet). Have you reached out to congress yet to let them know you have single handedly developed a super secret plan that will solve health care?


And then you go full derp again.

Put the beers down. Pick it up tomorrow.


I have always been willing to look at plans. You are the one that won't provide the details of what you are talking about.

You are the one who refused to entertain free market solutions because free markets don't exist.

I have been posting sources about Bernies plan, the UK plans and others, and you have not posted anything.

You just keep saying nothing applies to your plan, it really good.

You were against the numbers that Bernies universal plan would cost and said we couldn't look at them.

So go ahead, explain to me how your secret plan is different than Bernies, and provide me with the data on what it will cost.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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The OP is based on a lie. Pretty much describes the entire socialist/communist POV. Everything they believe has been fed to them by rich elites trying to control the entirety of society.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

before aca came into being, some doctors were beginning to drop the insurance. they found that when they didn't have to deal with them, they removed alot of the expense of operating and could lower their costs to the point where their services were affordable to their patients without the need for insurance. of course the doctors seem to have been fighting a losing battle as far as remaining independent also. it seems that it's really quite hard to find a doctor that isn't entwined with one big massive healthcare provider or another.

before obamacare was passed, I remember, many, many people were complaining they couldn't afford the healthcare, many, many businesses were saying they could no longer afford to insure their employees, many, many states were struggling with the cost of medicaid, and well, our gov't can't afford crap really, but they can run the printing presses to death and raise taxes more and more, and borrow left and right...

in a free market, the cost would have never been allowed to get so far out of control, these costs are more of a result of gov't mismanagement than anything else. as long as our gov't is willing to ensure that a steady supply of patients is available, either through increasing the wealth of the people or giving the people the welfare benefits needed, then there is no reason on this green earth why the insurance companies and providers should want to find ways to reduce the costs. heck they are more likely to give out outrageous bonuses and raises to their upper management!
and this is going on all across the economy!!
well, I am afraid that if it took the gov't's involvement to get us to this spot, unfortunately it's gonna take their involvement to get us back to something that we can live with.
neither party is really interested in doing that though. they don't want a free market, it wouldn't produce the nice profits they are getting now.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


I have always been willing to look at plans. You are the one that won't provide the details of what you are talking about.


I have provided ideas included in what I consider part of my "plan". You've dismissed them without any recognition. That means your mind is set.



You are the one who refused to entertain free market solutions because free markets don't exist.


You are right. They don't exist. Glad you can finally admit that.



I have been posting sources about Bernies plan, the UK plans and others, and you have not posted anything.


I commented on the UK aspect, but not Bernie's. That is your red herring.



You just keep saying nothing applies to your plan, it really good.


I did not say that. Again, you are putting words in my mouth. We cannot discuss these issues if you are going to be dishonest.



You were against the numbers that Bernies universal plan would cost and said we couldn't look at them.


I did not say that. Again, dishonesty.



So go ahead, explain to me how your secret plan is different than Bernies, and provide me with the data on what it will cost.


No. I don't think so.

I've given you details, which you have completely missed and keep bringing up Bernie for some reason.

When you can get your head out of your ass and start a thread on such an in-depth topic, I will oblige. Until then, keep deflecting while you refuse to address the real points I have made.

Have another...




posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

I'm sorry for your loss, big brother. I truly am.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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This is a very basic question with a very simple answer. It needs to go no further than if you can't afford children, you shouldn't have children. I want a Ferrari but to buy one would wreck me financially, maybe a used Honda is all I need.

Children are expensive. We all know this. If you do not have the money to support a child I also question your general level of life stability to be able to provide for that child in other ways that they deserve and require.

This is coming from an adopted person. If you can't handle the big show stand your ass on third base and work harder.
edit on 27-6-2017 by ShamnaOahu because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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Move.



posted on Jun, 27 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar


ACA was just a big transfer of wealth. That's why Schumer keeps crying about Trumpcare being a huge tax cut for the rich. Repealing ACA removes the tax burden imposed on corporations. Corporations that employ millions of citizens. These are the "rich" that imbecile Schumer keeps whining about.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 12:01 AM
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The GOP is nothing more than a cult. If Obama tried to pull a tenth of the garbage that Trump is pulling right now. There would be blood on street. But because Trump has a "R" next to his name, he can do no wrong even when he is inches from taking health insurance away from millions of Americans who voted for him.

But seriously, many of the right wingers have mommy or daddy issues. Somehow, they are drawn to this alternate reality that is right wing politics and can see no fault in it until it hurts them personally. This is a classic case of being in a cult and right wingers are no different than those that are in Scientology....this is just Scientology for the ignorant and stubborn.




originally posted by: deadlyhope
Seriously. Birth costs A LOT of money. The average household can hardly afford the crazy prices we have in America, and the gop wants to change medicaid coverage for births.. Why?

Seriously. Looking for some consistency - do you want people to be able to have kids, or do you want more abortions sought out because a birth can literally bankrupt someone if no aid is given?

The gop seriously makes me frustrated sometimes.

Reddit post that has me upset






posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 12:02 AM
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Why don't you move to Russia if you like authoritarianism so much. Putin will show you what a true dictator is.


originally posted by: thesolartruth2013
Move.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: PorteurDeMort

I'm unfamiliar with how healthcare works in the US.

How is this possible? Why don't you have any health coverage?



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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It seems that empathy has become a rare commodity in america.

Every day I am more thankful to not live in the usa.

good luck



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 06:24 AM
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I think, in a way, people in America don't appreciate peace. They think health insurance is a right. Seriously? Take a look at Syria, where war everyday, because of overpopulation caused by being a welfare state. No one there thinks about health care let along health insurance. Maybe, Americans need some pain to understand the meaning of live.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Just like the middle East, Republicans have no vision. Just purges and war. Now, after 15 yrs of fighting tribes , Republicans have turned America tribal and cults.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

So a single woman who does not want kids should be forced to pay for others to have kids?

Just curious, what else should people be forced to pay for other people?



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 07:12 AM
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originally posted by: Aytakan
a reply to: PorteurDeMort

I'm unfamiliar with how healthcare works in the US.

How is this possible? Why don't you have any health coverage?

Because they chose not to. The average cost of healthcare insurance for a family in the US is $18,000 and about $5,000 for a single man. Then even with the insurance you need to pay an average of $6,000 before it kicks in. So one major event like that every 5 years he is about even with or without insurance .. and usually without insurance you can get the bill lowered a lot more.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

what we had before was just a big transfer of wealth also though...
obamacare just tried to eliminate some of the injustice of a system by allowing more of those who, honest to god, the gov't, including the republicans, knew were being thrown under the bus and having to survive with a standard of living that didn't even come close to what the gov't pets were being given through the taxes that they were paying access to the system!! which seems to just have designated another group to be the sacrificial lambs when it comes to healthcare...
in a previous post, I gave a hint of the outcome after a few decades of being a sacrificial lambs cast aside for the good of all... and I wasn't kidding, one of my kids wasn't accepted into the navy because his medical records were so screwed up by then! I went close to a decade or so unofficially disabled because my medical records were so screwed up! heck, even now, I end up having to search around the store parking lots trying to find the closest one possible because it's the doctor that signs off that you should have one of those little cards that gives you the ticket to the special parking lots!

the fact that the gov't is helping SOME of the poor make their way through this world enables the employers to pay crap wages without having to worry if their employees will die out because of poverty. it allows the landlords to charge rents that are beyond the means of many of the self sufficient renters. and it has allowed the healthcare system to get to this out of control state that it's in!! it seems that it has taken care of the corps and business sector just fine. it has enabled them to ship all the high paying jobs off shore, leave us with a bunch of crap jobs that don't even pay a living wage, and even they their labor cost is now close to slave wages, they can still charge even more for the products they bring into this country!!!
and the gov't programs have helped many of those who are in those slave wage jobs, those they deem worthy to help...
but heaven forbid that they do a danged thing to try to help those that have been designated as the sacrificial lambs of society.... oh, no can't have that, we need a least a portion of the population crying and whining so that when the time comes to give the system another boost, we have a group we can point to to justify the expansion!!!

the minimum wage has to come up closer to a living wage..
the gov't givaways has to provide a standard of living that is closer to what those trying to live on that minimum wage can obtain...
done in a series of steps, we could slowly bring it back into balance where the minimum wage earner is at least enjoying the same standard of living as the non-workers.... in most cases.



posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

none of my kids had sickle cell anemia either, why should I have had to pay for others to be treated for it??


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