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originally posted by: JimOberg
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: JimOberg
You won't answer my question but whatever.
So your summary is you believe nothing Cooper said regarding witnessing a UFO land as true in the general sense of the word because you have found inconsistencies in various stories he has relayed over the years and therefore he is automatically lying.
By no means. Three separate teams investigated Cooper's story of the UFO landing at Edwards in 1957. They talked with the actual photographers, with the duty officer on the 'Blue Book' desk that day, and with Cooper's supervisor, and checked the contemporary press reports of the event, and the actual Blue Book case file -- with images -- for the event.
I presume you've never seen those reports? That may be because the UFO community has actively suppressed their results and continues to promote the lie that the story 'has never been explained' -- counting on eager-believer audiences to accept that claim uncritically, as you appear to have.
Any blue book case file is worthless as reference of authority since the entire program was created to debunk all UFO cases. Special report 14 and other classified documents, later declassified proved once and for all that shows this.
originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
Any blue book case file is worthless as reference of authority since the entire program was created to debunk all UFO cases. Special report 14 and other classified documents, later declassified proved once and for all that shows this.
Are you sure they're worthless? There are some intriguing reports in the Grudge and BB files despite the balloon explanations.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
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And no matter how many "teams" investigated Cooper's story, they wouldn't have been able to discover a damn thing (of any real importance) since the materials he referenced were classified. So all that is left is to either believe him on his word, or not. That's it.
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: JimOberg
I'm asking you to provide me the reports you referenced as being buried by the UFOlogy community. I need to read those in order to have all of the elements in the equation. You are using these reports as your basis to disbelieve Cooper so it's only fair to make them available. Otherwise you are asking readers to take it on faith those reports exist and this is no way to present an argument for or against.
... ...I want to read these reports.
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: JimOberg
None of those "reports" have any evidence of anything. You are just as guilty of fabricating a belief that Cooper is not telling the truth as you claim Cooper is guilty of fabricating his sighting.
Neither you nor Cooper can provide any proof that it did or didn't happen. You have referenced the need for evidence in many posts so I find it contradictory you would stand by this argument with no evidence....
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: JimOberg
Don't deflect from the point I am making which is valid. What you are offering is nothing more than an opinion. As I mentioned above you are entitled to your opinion. However, you are making absolute statements which lack any evidence and you should not state your conclusion as evidence based facts.
I read through all 3 of the "reports" you provided. That's a very loose term you are applying to nothing but hearsay.
Also the fact the Project Blue Book was invoked in one of these "reports" I liken to referencing Jaime Maussan and UFO sightings. It automatically discredits the "report" considering we know the true purpose and intent of Project Blue Book was purely a disinformation campaign on UFOs.