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Vladimir Putin gave direct instructions to help elect Trump, report says

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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Hoax bin material




posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Do we have direct evidence of Vlads operatives sitting down with Trump and any of his team to discuss executing these instructions?

If so, that would be a game changer.


Did the OP claim that? Does his source claim that? If neither of those things are true, isn't this a red herring?
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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Do we have direct evidence of Vlads operatives sitting down with Trump and any of his team to discuss executing these instructions?

If so, that would be a game changer.


Did the OP claim that? Does his source claim that? If neither of those things are true, isn't this a red herring?


No - it's the original allegation that started the whole shebang - Trump directly colluded with Vladimir Putin.

Goal posts stay put.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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This is all about Syria folks. Not Putin’s flimsy hacking crew.


Russia’s intervention in Syria has so pissed-off the US deep state( I know this term is overused but so what) they want Russia to suffer.



Their not worried about Trump, their slowly driving him crazier than he already is…
He’ll soon crack-up when their finished toying with him and then they’ll have their usual non billionaire, less arrogant puppet to order around.



Trump though likely has some crooked financial deals or laundering money deals through Russia.


The hacking is only meant to tar Russia in the eyes of the US sheep. The democrats are just using Russia as a typical political ploy, that's all it is. Nothing, I don't think, will come of the Russian hacking.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Do we have direct evidence of Vlads operatives sitting down with Trump and any of his team to discuss executing these instructions?

If so, that would be a game changer.


Did the OP claim that? Does his source claim that? If neither of those things are true, isn't this a red herring?


No - it's the original allegation that started the whole shebang - Trump directly colluded with Vladimir Putin.

Goal posts stay put.
They'll never prove that and I doubt Trump is worrying about it.

He's worrying about the crooked money deals he has with Russia and many of his associates as well.

The worst scenario for Trump is that he might have been compromised when he was in Russia on that beauty pageant.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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No - it's the original allegation that started the whole shebang - Trump directly colluded with Vladimir Putin.


Not at all but certainly an interesting and expedient assertion. Wasn't this "whole shebang" kicked off by meddling in the US Presidential election by hostile foreign powers?

You don't believe that without the possibility of collusion, that there is any genuine concern over Russians inteferring in US elections? That the hacking of the DNC/DCCC/etc, publication of the emails, the disinformatzia campaign pushed by troll farms on social media, the efforts to infiltrate election related sites, etc are not serious matters?

Or do you believe that none of them happened?

Because as it stands, it sure looks like you set the goal posts exactly where you want them so that if there's no evidence of collusion, none of the things that did in fact happen can be said to have happened? I'm really struggling to figure out how that's supposed to work on more than the most superificial level.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
So you practically quoted the entire article except for the most important and only truthy part of it.

The final sentence:



So far there is no evidence of that, but it is a sign that the congressional investigations are expanding.



Ummm...what the bloody hell...that's the absolute LAST TIME I'm ever reading any more of this clickbait garbage from this...this...OP...

What a pile of steaming she it...this clickbait post is...


YouSir
edit on 23-6-2017 by YouSir because: just because...



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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Do you think our foreign policy is just?


I think our foreign policies are very questionable.



Have you done any research on our "national security state? Are you aware of the empirical fact that our CIA lies to forward this agenda? Are you paying attention to the world stage or just lapping up whatever the weaponized media is feeding you? Do you think we're in the ME because we want to bring them freedom?


I'm not some fool that blindly believes anything and everything I am told. That being said, I don't see how this will lead to a war with Russia. Perhaps a ramped-up cyber war, but a physical war over this is completely illogical.



Does any of that bother you or are you just interested in Trump porn?


How does something bothering me or not relate to this particular topic? All I've said is this is growing, in relation to what is being released and the investigations overall.

As for the "weponized media" and Trump porn nonsense, it's just that. Nonsense.
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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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The accusation that Mr Trump shared highly-sensitive "codeword" material with the Russian ambassador and foreign minister during a meeting in the Oval Office has sent shockwaves throughout Washington, but is only the latest bombshell.



In July, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, Wikileaks published 20,000 internal emails stolen by the hackers. US intelligence officials said they believed with "high confidence" that Russia was behind the operation, but the Trump campaign publicly refused to accept the findings.
Instead, at a press conference, Mr Trump caused outrage by inviting Russian hackers to target Hillary Clinton's controversial personal email server, saying: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing".

About the same time the hacking scandal was beginning to unfold, Mr Trump's then campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was accused of accepting millions of dollars in cash for representing Russian interests in Ukraine and US, including dealings with an oligarch with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

While Mr Manafort was running the campaign, the Republican Party changed the language in its manifesto regarding the conflict in Ukraine, removing anti-Russian sentiment, allegedly at the behest of two Trump campaign representatives.
Mr Manafort, who quit as Mr Trump's campaign chairman last August, is being investigated by the FBI and also reportedly by New York officials.

BBC



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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1. Do you believe that Obama was either emboldening terrorists or thwarting the US attempts at fighting terrorism by not using the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism?"

Personally, I think words are cheap, watch the actions. I believe ISIS was intentionally built up under his term, along with the help of the rest of the right and left neocons. ea: Hillary, McCain.

I think what he called it is irrelevant personally, but its obvious he didn't exactly deal with its spread very well.



2. Do you believe that by not decisively acknowledging even the existence of a these election meddling efforts, let alone their source, President Trump is in anyway emboldening the perpetrators and thwarting efforts to prevent future attacks?

Trump did acknowledge, back in January, that Russia likely was trying to meddle in the election.
What he called fake news was that he was colluding with the Russians. His statement seems to be holding up, with verification on both sides.
If it is proven he did collude then he should face consequences, thats a big IF.



3. Do you believe that people who answer "yes" to the first question should answer "yes" to the second?

Since your second question is based on an falsehood, no.

Sorry ante, I forgot we were in the 'pit'. Didn't mean to ruin your partisan fun.

And please, take me off your list of Trump 'supporters'.

Did I vote for him? Yes, but only after January of 16 or so did I decide, and it wasn't anything he did that got my vote. It was against the people who blocked roads trying to cancel Trump events and the assorted crazyness that was displayed by the radical anti Trump people that made me vote for him.

Saying that, I hope to see him get a chance to succeed. If he fails on his own policies, then it will be out in 4 years. But if he fails due to the radical obstruction at any cost we see happening, I will vote for him again in 2020.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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If true this is revealing secret measures we have that Russia now knows about and this writer is committing treason imo.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: DanteGaland Total Lie. You have to have a video of the person you want to corrupt. It's just Hersay.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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Where is the proof? It seems to evade everyone but the left. Just more B.S., disinformation, a smoke screen to coverup the corruption from the last administration..a reply to: DanteGaland



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: IAMTAT

I know what a discerning consumer of information you are so your response makes sense! I'm sure there's some new "bombshells" from 0Hour1 just waiting for you to share them with us.


Well, a lot of information was already out there, and it is pretty clear that Putin got what he asked for, for any one to totally ignore it is just plain stupid. In any case it is known that Russia has always delved into other countries affairs, just as our own countries do, and that does mean they can also get help. Frankly, to me it matters not what goes on in the dirty little 007 wars, Putin was even made a pariah by the west over Crimea, even though the Ukraine government, more than likely with help from the west played a dirty war and killing their own, that's hypocrisy for you, while Putin asserted his right to protect the Crimean citizens. Sure Putin is no angel, but who is.

Trump, meanwhile associated with people like Manafort ..who is surely under investigation amongst others, and if the US secret services should be doing anything, it would be to look hard and long at this bunch of lying ne'er do wells, who live off other peoples backs..even more so now.
But here, here in this forum, like others, we have people taking sides, with only a few exceptions who really want to analyse the whole situation, while the rest just take sides...no, just close their eyes and ears, and blame all on the media and ignore their own total lack of any knowledge, and replace it with strings of hearsay hyperbole, that could easily be made into a chant. It's no wonder that governments these days have nothing but disdain for their voters when they know how easy it is to manipulate and deceive them.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: The GUT

Do you think that the Russian foreign policy is just? Have you done any research into the Russian "security state," of which Vladimir Putin is a product? Are you aware that the SVR lies to forward its agenda?

More importantly, do you think that the Russian foreign policy furthers an agenda that is positive, negative or neutral to the interests of the United States, it citizens and our allies?

Have you done any research at all into Russia's geopolitical agenda?

Does any of that bother you or are you just interested in defending Trump putting concern over the optics of the election and his fragile ego ahead of concerns for our national security?


I don't think you even know what the hell national security is to be honest. I don't support Putin, but I understand through research who the most blatant aggressors are and what these proxy wars are truly about and the effect they have on humanity.

The letters between JFK and Khrushchev--which they had to back-channel btw because of the warmongering deep state idiots they both had to try and circumvent--would be a good start for you or anyone else as uneducated as yourself on what we are really seeing play out on the world stage.

A study of the well-documented extreme and certifiable paranoia of the Cold War, and the kind of deranged thinking it fostered, would help you out as well. Next up would be a study of "Blowback." CIA nation-toppling and assassination, etc. Nobody has come close to the evil we perpetuate for our "interests" and that includes Putin. It will end badly for us as history illuminates for those that actually learn from it.

This shizzle in the weaponized MSM is a pretext for more war and dominance and it absolutely is a deceitful "narrative." Your ideology is hypocritical and inhumane. But that goes for the extremes on both sides of this argument to be fair. You are being suckered without a clue. I have zero respect for your wilful ignorance and the waste of a good brain.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DanteGaland

If true this is revealing secret measures we have that Russia now knows about and this writer is committing treason imo.


Not really.

The strange reddit POST was probably "taken down" because a SUPERVISOR saw it and it wasn't befitting for an analyst to SAY things online publicly.

NOTHING they said is classified.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: MissionTruth
a reply to: DanteGaland Total Lie. You have to have a video of the person you want to corrupt. It's just Hersay.



SO...Kompromat can ONLY be video?



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

Scared yet?



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: gimcrackery
Where is the proof? It seems to evade everyone but the left. Just more B.S., disinformation, a smoke screen to coverup the corruption from the last administration..a reply to: DanteGaland



Do YOU have proof that there isn't any proof?

Where is YOUR proof to back up your OPINIONS???



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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You mean like when the prez gives top secret info to the commies and the on tv says "don't worry Israel...I didn't tell them we got the Intel from you..."



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