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For the first time, most Americans like Obamacare

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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
If taxes are reduced and medicaid reduced, 24 million people who didn't have Obamacare before 2010 will DIE. You don't want them to DIE, do we? So I say, leave Obamacare alone. Once people go on welfare, it's impossible for them to leave welfare. Or else they will DIE. There can only be more and more people on welfare, higher and higher taxes. This is the way society is headed.

www.vox.com...

You look at Syria, a socialist welfare state, population increased from 4 million in 1960 to 20 million in 2010, because of welfare, and guess what happened? Too many people, not enough natural resources. The end result is war.
I don't accept even a little, the premise of your post. Firstly we know for a fact that polls are only as good as the questions that are asked and who does the poll. The reporting on this poll is from a far left website and possibly their reporting is as biased.

Lastly, millions are going to die because of this? Really? Got a real source for that?

Just more emotional and sensational garbage being shoved on the unthinking progressives to make them yell.


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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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I'm pretty sure that at least half of those twenty four million people who will die are actually going to get better, a lot of people are intolerant to meds. I study the side effects and actions of medicines a lot, enough to actually see the multiple problems that can be caused by medication use. Almost all medication is toxic to humans, if occasionally taken it is no threat most times. It is the long term use that is bad. Tylenol is very hard on the liver.

I think the short term of use of antibiotics was a good thing to treat certain diseases. Now it is hard to get them if you are sick, the government has made their use evil. I will never take Statin drugs. I do not believe the science backs their use. Our Pharmacology industry has caused a lot of problems with long term medicines and also opioid drugs that were prescribed too freely. It is out to make money, they are not for preventing diseases naturally.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Whats really sad is the United States is the most Drug addicted country on the planet. They hand out pills like candy on Halloween.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

28 million children were enrolled in Medicaid in 2015.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DAVID64

"Go to the ER" is the new "Let them eat cake".

I can't make out how Syria is a socialist welfare state though... lol.


Know what's AWESOME about the brand new shiny Senate "Healthcare" Plan? Insurers no longer have to cover "Emergency Services." That would be 1) Ambulance or helicopter, 2) Emergency Room services.

How many companies will choose to cover these at a reasonable cost?



(I'm being sarcastic of course. It is an obscene and destructive anti-healthcare bill if I've ever seen one. EVERYONE will suffer except the RICH! Go oligarchy! )

So our choice is "Syrian hellscape" or oligarchy? Yeah... I don't think they've thought this one through very well...



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: rickymouse

28 million children were enrolled in Medicaid in 2015.


I remember the days when most bigger employers supplied healthcare after you worked there six months to a year. We had two policies, one from my mothers employer and one from my fathers. The rest of the people could get on assistance if they qualified. The welfare department had a policy back then, anyone would get covered once for a serious injury or sickness, they would cover the hospital bill. If you later qualified because your income dropped down, you could get medicaid then.

Our whole system in this country took a dump for the worse. It used to be five bucks for a copay at the doctors, all tests covered completely. Our system back in the sixties and seventies puts this new society to shame.

Obamacare is not a good solution, most people are not old enough to know how it was back in the seventies or not aware of these things I talk about. I knew the people who actually worked at those offices in our local area. We discussed this stuff. Our modern society really sucks.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: DontTreadOnMe
I don't know who the heck they asked, but NO ONE I know likes Obamacare.
It sucks....has always sucked and will continue to suck until they fix it.

What is to like about a $6500 annual deductible...on top of premiums I cannot afford.

I cannot afford ER visits.
Or blood work.
Or tests.
Or to be sick.


The Senate plan is far WORSE! HIGHER deductibles and LESS coverage in exchange for (somewhat) lower premiums (unless you are older).

And a massive tax cut for the UPPER 2%. The Senate plan is especially hard on folks age 50-64 (older but pre-Medicare).

YAAAAY! GO TEAM GOP!!!



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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

We need to get the government out of this all together unless they do something like medicare for everyone. That way the government can stop all the unnecessary tests that are happening. I think it was better when the doctors just told you to go home and rest and take aspirin. Obamacare gave the medical field a blank checkbook, it opened the gates of hell. How many people are now suffering more at the hands of doctors running so many tests and therapies. Yeah, just give the doctors more money to work with. The outcome is the same most times, people actually fear losing their meds, not understanding the side effects of the meds are making things worse much of the time. One side effect means another needed medicine which has side effects that another medicine is needed to hide.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Actually most of the rich inherited it and their income is characterized as unearned income from capital gains and interest and dividends. They contribute little to nothing to the quality of life in the US except jet fumes as they fly about the world spending money on high end goods most of us will never see.

The real problem with health care has been that it needs go to single payer to get the insurance companies out of the way and rather than paying for single payer by taxing payroll incomes of the dwindling middle class, it should be funded by taxes on the wealthiest top 10%.

And none of this will work compatibly with the "Open Borders" and Refugee programs.

But none of this will come about because the rich people control the government.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Sooner or later everybody dies . Thats life nobody gets out alive .


Unless you are a waterbear they are practically immortal.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

I had employer insurance from 1972-2007. It worked fine until the 90's. After that all yearly raises went toward increase in premiums. My husband had a catastrophic illness in 2007. That left us a balance of 230,000 to pay off. The insurance capped and did not pay PT. He was 55 and disabled and we lost our house.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Syria also went through one of the worst droughts in their history. Which caused the lack of resources and ultimately led to conflict.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

If this bill passes, it's gonna be very, very ugly. I think though that it will only be briefly ugly and finally people will realize that the only solution is single payer.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: rickymouse

I had employer insurance from 1972-2007. It worked fine until the 90's. After that all yearly raises went toward increase in premiums. My husband had a catastrophic illness in 2007. That left us a balance of 230,000 to pay off. The insurance capped and did not pay PT. He was 55 and disabled and we lost our house.


With my epilepsy after the car accident, my bills through our insurance almost reached five hundred grand with all the tests and doctor visits they put me through. Most of those tests were not needed, I had at least a half dozen MRI's, special cat scans, and multiple tests to test my brain activity. Physical therapy twice a week which was activating my epilepsy and medicines that were killing me because my body could not properly process them.

If Obama had not taken off the ceiling, our insurance would have been used up at five hundred grand. Most all of this was wasted, the doctors saw a blank checkbook all signed between the health insurance and car insurance. My reasons for the bad medicine reactions were hereditary, I guess lots of Northern Europeans share the same traits with these. My reduced lifespan because of the epilepsy I found was because the meds lower your life expectancy greatly....most people are effected.

I have been to the doctor once in the last five years, I control my epilepsy by diet. I was at the clinic once to get my finger bandaged up and cleaned one time too.

I decided to study medicine and how all the medicines work and where to find this chemistry in nature. I also study the multiple chemistry in foods and spices and try to figure out how they can be used. My hopes are to stay as far away from doctors as I can, if I do have an accident, I will need their help but in no way am I going to accept their drug pushing to old people. I can correct the diet to accommodate this, I know a lot of how food works. Not surprisingly, I am eating foods like I ate when I was young, I guess what my mother and aunts cooked when my grandparents were living with us was what I need to eat to stay away from needing doctors. I have made some modifications though. My mother did stray from the old ways when I was about eleven, adopting to make all good tasting foods full of attractant chemistry. That is about the time our health issues started to come into play. Especially my sisters problems with RA and other autoimmune issues.

You are right, the price of medical treatment has exploded to unreasonable amounts. Obamacare will not fix this, it actually made it worse. I did a lot of research on where the money for Obamacare comes from. Some is coming from raises in premiums of people who have insurance from their employers, then their deductible goes up along with their premiums and their future raises go out the door.

There is no reason our healthcare needs to be this expensive, on top of that, other countries healthcare gives better quality of life at way cheaper. The same science that makes the chemicals in our food is making the chemicals used to treat our illnesses, it all goes through one agency in our government, one made up of people with degrees in chemistry.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse
Medicare for all. Every adult pays $130 per month.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: rickymouse
Medicare for all. Every adult pays $130 per month.


If our government did the basic medicare coverage for everyone, and regulated the hospitals to make sure they are not abusing our healthcare system, then a person could buy extra coverage to cover what they want to cover. Medicare costs a lot more than a hundred thirty a month, that sounds like the part B coverage.



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: rickymouse
Medicare for all. Every adult pays $130 per month.

Oh, hell no!!!! Leave Medicare alone.
And what....kids don't need to be covered?


It would have to be separate from Medicare....and $150.00 per month...and it covers only 70-75% of costs.
Let people get supplemental, just like the seniors have to....
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posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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If you don't care about the 24 million than why should any one care about your family being chocked financially?



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: scraedtosleep

I don't need anyone's sympathy. I work hard for my own earnings. Tell me, how many of those who live in public housing actually try to become wealthy?



posted on Jun, 23 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: scraedtosleep

I don't need anyone's sympathy. I work hard for my own earnings. Tell me, how many of those who live in public housing actually try to become wealthy?


Tell me is the acquisition of wealth the only way to be a decent contributing member of a society. Does the fact that they live in public house mean they aren't deserving of human decency? I have never tried to become wealthy does that mean my death would be meaningless.
Rich =good
poor=bad

But maybe your right. The rich are the only ones who deserve low taxes. Congress members are the only ones that deserve universal healthcare. If your not wealthy than you don't deserve love, compassion , food , water , or shelter. The wealthy are they only ones worthy of respect. It is the american way after all and the american way is the only right way.
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