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I Support YOUR Dreams! (The Ultimate Secret Revealed)

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posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 12:47 AM
a reply to: whereislogic

Going to ignore you.

I'm trying to create something valuable here.

Take the political Hitler stuff to a political thread plz.
Don't derail my thread.
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posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 01:06 AM
a reply to: muzzleflash
My dream or dreams also include people waking up to the dangers of nationalism and new age philosophy. Or evolutionary philosophies. Or letting their hearts be guided by what some people refer to as "human nature" or just "nature":
The way of Nature described in the context of nationalism, evolutionary philosophies, Darwinism and social Darwinism.
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posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 01:32 AM
a reply to: whereislogic

You need to be more specific.

Are you saying I posted something unfactual? If so it'd be great if you pointed that out so I can correct the mistake.

Did you even read the whole thread?

I don't think nationalism was ever brought up exactly, the Remembrance Day reference was not in any way intended to promote nationalism but instead it's aim was a generalized "Remember all this stuff about everything?" as the context should have made clear. That should have been clear in the OP.

I was borrowing the terminology for a thematic symbolic purpose inferring a subconscious archetype and a psychological process of reflection.

This definitely has nothing to do with Darwin or Speciation or his theory.

The usage of the terminology "conscious evolution" actually means something like "learning new ideas and concepts so as to not be ignorant anymore" or even "growing up, maturing psychologically".

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 02:23 AM
I'll try to pick back up where I left off tomorrow. It's after 2am Im very tired. It takes a lot of energy and focus to create a thread like this.

I gotta rest and recuperate.
I got a lot of errans to run tomorrow as well.

I barely get 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night typically. Im getting worn out.

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 11:48 AM
So last night I had this Dream...

It kinda sucked, my Xwife was there and she was singing a love song to some other guy. It bothered me, not because she liked the other guy, but because she never liked me or showed any romantic affection. She was very cold.

What makes it really weird though, is that there was this box of orange juice bottles in a closet, and I took one of them thinking I'd drink it, but I saw the expiration date was like 4/8/16 - way past expiration. I put it back. Strange isn't it?

After researching what the expired juice represents, I'm afraid it's a rather bad Omen for myself. I'm not exactly sure what it references though despite the clear context. The juice is my vitality and can also signify a need to rejuvenate something, the bottle represents what I bottle up inside, and the expiration date being so old means it's clearly too late to open it.

Anyways, after waking up I started wondering - and this is purely speculative:
What if that wasn't my xwife at all, and it was actually Morpheus the shapeshifter posing as her to reveal some type of message or teach me something??? In other words, what if some type of Spiritual outer force was constructing or concocting my Dreamscapes and writing the script for it to influence me in various ways?

As I walked down the street I mulled over this possibility, and as I pondered it's scope I had several realizations and then said to myself "This just blew my freaking mind!"

So where was I ? Oh yeah...

I'm not sure I can tell the difference between anything anymore, hahaha...

I need to consult some Physicists and get their opinion on this vexing issue.

Hmmm, ok, well... I'll ask Richard Feynman, he was an incredibly brilliant physicist.

Ummm, he just wants some Orange Juice.
That's a very bizarre coincidence because I consulted him relating to my philosophical ponderances derived from my Dream mere hours ago about Orange Juice being expired.

You've gotta be kidding me...
Looks like I'm going to need to consult an Oracle or something.

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 12:04 PM

I dunno, what is "REAL" ?
What am I suppose to do??

So I have the 'Gift', so should I keep giving it away even if no one takes it?

Yeah, I did decide to give it away and knew I might have to do that even if no one noticed or cared or even wanted it.
I guess I should do what I enjoy, because as these Physicists are telling me this world's an illusion anyways.

It seems the Bible and the Mystics agree about this:

Ok so...

What do you mean??

Learning by experience it is than.
Well I keep seeing impossible things happen all around me, so maybe this is that

And maybe it is true after all that

The problem being all of those bullets that keep nailing me in life and really ruining my mood to an unbelievable extent, so much that I have often felt like I didn't wanna live to experience the never ending ever increasing pain anymore.

So this is the Solution...

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 01:26 PM
So I'm going to be

And I'll need to delve deep from

Hmmm, what was that?

Peacock feather top right of that pic.
Also note the Headdress scheme (sun rays, halo).

The Maya Illusion

Maya (IAST: māyā), literally "illusion" or "magic",[1][2] has multiple meanings in Indian philosophies depending on the context. In ancient Vedic literature, Māyā literally implies extraordinary power and wisdom.[3] In later Vedic texts and modern literature dedicated to Indian traditions, Māyā connotes a "magic show, an illusion where things appear to be present but are not what they seem".[2][4] Māyā is also a spiritual concept connoting "that which exists, but is constantly changing and thus is spiritually unreal", and the "power or the principle that conceals the true character of spiritual reality".[5][6]


In Buddhism, Maya is the name of Gautama Buddha's mother.[7] In Hinduism, Maya is also an epithet for goddess,[8] and the name of a manifestation of Lakshmi, the goddess of "wealth, prosperity and love".

Ok so Maya is Buddha's mother, and Maia is Hermes / Mercury's mother?
And if Maya is Lakshmi that's another connection, because Maia is Fortuna.
So both are 1 in the same.

All is not what it Appears to Be...
Change must be the only Constancy.
Guess my pockets weren't empty after all?

According to Monier Williams, māyā meant "wisdom and extraordinary power" in an earlier older language, but from the Vedic period onwards, the word came to mean "illusion, unreality, deception, fraud, trick, sorcery, witchcraft and magic".[4][7] However, P. D. Shastri states that the Monier Williams' list is a "loose definition, misleading generalization", and not accurate in interpreting ancient Vedic and medieval era Sanskrit texts; instead, he suggests a more accurate meaning of māyā is "appearance, not mere illusion".[15]

So the definition of Maya IS MAYA - illusion.

It's like I was deluded into thinking this was delusion - but it's not, it's Reality.

the root of the word may be man- or "to think", implying the role of imagination in the creation of the world. In early Vedic usage, the term implies, states Mahony, "the wondrous and mysterious power to turn an idea into a physical reality"

And YES, this thread is about turning an Idea, a Dream, into Reality.

Jan Gonda considers the word related to mā, which means "mother",[10] as do Tracy Pintchman[18] and Adrian Snodgrass,[12] serving as an epithet for goddesses such as Lakshmi.[10][19] Maya here implies art, is the maker’s power, writes Zimmer, "a mother in all three worlds", a creatrix, her magic is the activity in the Will-spirit.[20] A similar word is also found in the Avestan māyā with the meaning of "magic power".

So Ma, our Mother - is the Creatrix of this Matrix - therefore it really is Ma's Trix.

The Upanishads describe the universe, and the human experience, as an interplay of Purusha (the eternal, unchanging principles, consciousness) and Prakṛti (the temporary, changing material world, nature).[34] The former manifests itself as Ātman (Soul, Self), and the latter as Māyā. The Upanishads refer to the knowledge of Atman as "true knowledge" (Vidya), and the knowledge of Maya as "not true knowledge" (Avidya, Nescience, lack of awareness, lack of true knowledge).

And we're here to discover the difference between Truth and Falsity.
The Spirit vs Illusion, Awareness vs Ignorance.

Maya means that the world is not as it seems; the world that one experiences is misleading as far as its true nature is concerned."[35] Lynn Foulston states, "The world is both real and unreal because it exists but is 'not what it appears to be'."

Maya is perceived reality, one that does not reveal the hidden principles, the true reality. Maya is unconscious, Atman is conscious. Maya is the literal, Brahman is the figurative Upādāna – the principle, the cause.

It it's like Cause and Effect, or maybe Potential and Kinetic.

It's the

and it's all about the Cycles of Change within

U, Uni, the 1 vs itself.

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 02:19 PM

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: whereislogic

Are you saying I posted something unfactual?

No, why would I...

Just sharing my dreams. Like peace in the world. Which you can't have as long as evolutionary philosophies and their promoters are popular, or Trinitarianism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism or nationalism for that matter. As long as Babylon the Great (the real 'Matrix') is around, there will be no peace either. And not the required wisdom in humanity either. Of course, Babylon the Great is scheduled to be removed from this earth soon:

Current events-The End of False Religion is imminent!

Many authorities recognize that nationalism and self-interest are the root of the world’s problems. For example, former United Nations Secretary-General U Thant observed: “So many of the problems that we face today are due to, or the result of, false attitudes . . . Among these is the concept of narrow nationalism—‘my country, right or wrong.’” Still, nations today, engrossed in self-interest, are clamoring more and more for their own sovereignty. Those who have the advantage do not wish to give up even a little of it. For example, the International Herald Tribune made this observation about the European Union: “Rivalry and mistrust remain basic patterns of European politics. For most EU member states, it is still unacceptable for one of their peers to gain greater influence and take the lead.”

God’s Word, the Bible, correctly describes the result of all human rule, saying: “Man has dominated man to his injury.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9) By breaking the world up into their own separate dominions, groups of men as well as individuals have experienced the fulfillment of this Bible principle: “One isolating himself will seek his own selfish longing; against all practical wisdom he will break forth.”—Proverbs 18:1.

Source: Whatever Happened to World Unity?

Here's some more food for thought:

Myanmar Violence: Roots of Buddhist Nationalism | Centre on Religion & Geopolitics
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posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 02:29 PM
Welcome to the

Because you will learn the ways of

So let's Seek Understanding of Maya from the Sikh and take a Peek

In Sikhism, the world is regarded as both transitory and relatively real.[94] God is viewed as the only reality, but within God exist both conscious souls and nonconscious objects; these created objects are also real.[94] Natural phenomena are real but the effects they generate are unreal. māyā is as the events are real yet māyā is not as the effects are unreal. Sikhism believes that people are trapped in the world because of five vices: lust, anger, greed, attachment, and ego. Maya enables these five vices and makes a person think the physical world is "real," whereas, the goal of Sikhism is to rid the self of them.

However, in the Guru Granth Sahib māyā refers to the "grand illusion" of materialism. From this māyā all other evils are born, but by understanding the nature of māyā a person begins to approach spirituality.

The teachings of the Sikh Gurus push the idea of sewa (selfless service) and simran (prayer, meditation, or remembering one's true death).

Enter Acosmism:

Acosmism, in contrast to pantheism, denies the reality of the universe, seeing it as ultimately illusory, (the prefix "a-" in Greek meaning negation; like "un-" in English), and only the infinite unmanifest Absolute as real.[1] Conceptual versions of Acosmism are found in eastern and western philosophies.

The universe is considered to be Māyā, however this does not mean universe is considered as unreal. Wendy Doniger explains, "to say that the universe is an illusion (māyā) is not to say that it is unreal; it is to say, instead, that it is not what it seems to be, that it is something constantly being made. Māyā not only deceives people about the things they think they know; more basically, it limits their knowledge to things that are epistemologically and ontologically second-rate."

Acosmism has been seen in the work of a number of Western philosophers, including Parmenides, Plato, Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Schopenhauer, and British and American idealists, such as F.H. Bradley.

These are the Secrets of the Gnostics, the Kabbalah, the Christian Scientists, and Quantum Physics.Zero Energy Universe Theory

It is simply Ex Nihilo

Ex nihilo is a Latin phrase meaning "out of nothing". It often appears in conjunction with the concept of creation, as in creatio ex nihilo, meaning "creation out of nothing", chiefly in philosophical or theological contexts, but it also occurs in other fields.

And although many confuse creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia and creatio ex deo as being different - they are at their core, fundamentally the same. A good way to describe it is Simulated Reality.

That's the Khanda of the Sikh, it's composed of a double edged sword, a chakram, and two single edged swords.

And this

is the Faravahar of Zoroastrianism.
It represents:

a reminder of one's purpose in life, which is to live in such a way that the soul progresses towards frashokereti, or union with Ahura Mazda

Progress towards Spiritual Excellence and Unification with God, and

the Zoroastrian concept of a personal spirit of an individual, whether dead, living, and yet-unborn. The fravashi of an individual sends out the urvan (often translated as 'soul') into the material world to fight the battle of good versus evil.

and it also is understood as the Guardian Angel.

So Tri the Force by learning the symbol of the Hojo Clan, and notice that Hojo is the first Kata of Kashima Shinden, a traditional form of Japanese swordmanship (Kenjutsu).

Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryū can be translated as the "divinely transmitted, honest reflection of the heart, school of Kashima".

By repetitive practice, one maintains a constant connection with the cosmos by aspiring to jikishin (直心) unwavering intentionand seimeishin (生命心) perfect clarity of mind, just like a cloudless sky on a brilliant sunny day. A practitioner who has attained heightened jikishin and seimeishin is said to have fudōshin (不動心) immovable heart.

And Yes that Triple Triangle is the AAA symbol of The Academy, because you know the A is essentially a Triangle? And in this Academy you will learn the Art of Risk Management and how to overcome Uncertainty like an Actuary.

You carry your Blade everyday everywhere you go - Learn how to wield it properly Padawans!

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 07:15 PM
I have so much to add to this stream of thought, lol.
I'm spent for now though.

I barely even got into my list of notes (and it grows faster than I can address it).

I'll post whenever I post.
I'm going to go walk around and maybe buy some food.

posted on Jun, 28 2017 @ 07:37 PM

originally posted by: whereislogic

Just sharing my dreams. Like peace in the world. Which you can't have as long as evolutionary philosophies and their promoters are popular, or Trinitarianism, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism or nationalism for that matter. As long as Babylon the Great (the real 'Matrix') is around, there will be no peace either. And not the required wisdom in humanity either. Of course, Babylon the Great is scheduled to be removed from this earth soon:

Current events-The End of False Religion is imminent!

You gotta understand that most people collapse under the weight of their own selfish desires and ignorance.
Even Jehovah's Witnesses.

"Babylon the Great" most likely refers to the systematic implementation of ritual and dogmatic thinking which refuses to examine knowledge that might (at least initially) seem to conflict with their dearly held tenants. This creates an "US vs THEM" mentality that is the source of most conflict (along with selfishness).

"Self Evident TRUTH" - which stands on it's own and survives no matter how many disbelieve or how much falsehood is spread - will inevitably reign.

It's pretty clear that means a Unification of Wisdom from all around the world and the continued Discovery of new and long forgotten ancient Wisdom along with what we currently have.

What we have currently reigning is the Global Religion of Lies (selfishness, greed, hate), so yes I agree to an extent.

If you want to discuss Jesus and whatever you think "Polytheism or Paganism" is, that's fine.
No more hinting or alluding at it, just step up to the plate and say what needs to be said.
Let's get to the bottom of what's bothering you.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 01:20 AM
Lost my wallet today.
Bank cards, DL, SS card, everything.
Im so devestated.

Not been a fun day.
Not sure how to recover.

I forgot to tell myself:

Well now I know.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 07:21 AM
a reply to: muzzleflash

Not been a fun day.
Not sure how to recover.

Go back and read the first page of this thread.

I'm following this one very closely. Waiting for the next update, when you're ready. This is precious.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 01:53 PM
a reply to: Raven_Heart

I went back to the post office and it was there.

I guess while I was signing all these papers for my mountain of mail I got absent minded and just left it on the counter.

I know the folks working there so it was in safe hands. Just got back from the banks and turned my cards back on.

Whew, close call.

It would have taken a month to replace my DL, SS, and bank cards. That woulda sucked bad.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 02:33 PM
a reply to: Raven_Heart

The reason I wasn't sure how to recover is because my DL is from TX and I'm in TN and cannot go back to renew it. Also I cannot (even if I really wanted to) get a TN License or ID for at least 4 or 5 months due to various legal issues.

Getting a replacement DL from TX was going to prove very challenging in terms of how long it would have taken. It would take at least 5 to 8 weeks minimum. And I'd have to wait for that replacement before getting another SS Card.

I have to use my ID for a lot of stuff, like getting my mail, so it's really complicated and could have turned into a Catch 22 pretty quickly.

That's really cool that you've been reading along, I was sorta getting to the point where I was wondering if I was just posting stuff for my own personal pleasure absent any onlookers lol...

Thank you. I have tons of interesting stuff to add to this.

It's actually quite challenging because I'm working on like 5 projects and also have all of this RL craziness going on around me that I gotta continually deal with. I'm going to have to really focus and work hard and fast over the next week to catch up on everything and pull through.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 04:02 PM
Ok we got a lot to cover here, so let's think about the

In this context I'm going to refer to it as the Spiritual

It can take many forms depending on the context

So a lot of these symbols refer to this, such as the coiling serpents or the wreath or the wheel or what have you. There is what I'll also call the corkscrew effect.

So a Feedback Loop is one where each time the cycle rotates it feeds back into itself creating an even more powerful effect. Each time you go through the process it becomes more noticeable, more effective, and you gain or raise upwards in an increasingly distinct manner.

As you are the Flower of Life, so the same physics apply to you as it does to plants in nature. The more Light you absorb, the more you grow, and therefore the more Light you can continue absorbing. This blossoming or unfolding continues and as the serpents coiling around the Caduceus that go upwards, you will continue raising your consciousness and your ability to affect your life (and those around you) positively.

This is an ok example, it is of a rotating top climbing upwards

And this diagram can also aid in getting a good idea

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posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 04:23 PM
Ok so let's quickly remember the Logarithmic (and rhythmic) Spiral

and the Golden Spiral (Ratio)

Even the nerves in your eye's cornea follow the Logarithmic spiral.

Now everything follows patterns even if at first it doesn't seem to.
Some of these patterns can be incredibly complex and very difficult to notice (because we have very limited information and do not know the full pattern).

Let's compare this theory with some basic mathematical principles:

Images of the Mandelbrot set exhibit an elaborate and infinitely complicated boundary that reveals progressively ever-finer recursive detail at increasing magnifications. The "style" of this repeating detail depends on the region of the set being examined. The set's boundary also incorporates smaller versions of the main shape, so the fractal property of self-similarity applies to the entire set, and not just to its parts.

Ok so this Crescent is easily compared to the Peacock Eye on it's Feather...

But if you look at that picture a bit, you'll notice it's a Tunnel.
Here's another example of the tunneling perspective...

Now here are some corporate logos that will explain the basic Goal of "Achieving Oneness", all of these companies have the same name and are all showing us the same symbols we have been examining in this thread...

Remember the Spinning Top diagram above explaining "Feedback Loop of the Higher Self" ?

This one symbolically reveals a lot of things...

Of course we Converge at the Summit.

Now remember the Rainbow colors are woven into this entire concept because we are talking about Light in general, Iris is the personification of the Rainbow and of Vision (among other things), and we have the Chakra color code, the Peacocks are closely associated because of their wide ranges of coloration, etc etc.

And of course, we as a people's need to unite in order to achieve peace and avoid self-annihilation and obliterating the globe.

This one has really interesting symbolism

So yeah, the Jedi Academy is a lot like a

Just a few things to consider...

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 05:19 PM
Let's shift gears here a bit, I got time to make another post before I gotta head out.

Now I want to bring to your attention Rosmerta.

In Gallo-Roman religion, Rosmerta was a goddess of fertility and abundance, her attributes being those of plenty such as the cornucopia. Rosmerta is attested by statues, and by inscriptions. In Gaul she was often depicted with the Roman god Mercury as her consort, but is sometimes found independently.

This is a really fascinating connector here and can help explain exactly how these allegories operated in history and how they were convergences between other cultures and traditions.

This is a corporate logo that shows the Wing in a Cyclical Pattern
I'm sorry I couldn't find a better resolution version

Ok so Rosmerta is like a Celtic - Gaulish - Germanic - Roman conglomeration of ideas, and was fairly popular in those areas for a period of time. As a personification in art, she bears the Caduceus, the Cornucopia, baskets, purses, and a bowl (patera) for pouring out libations, among other things. She's very frequently paired with Mercury - Hermes and is really another version of Fortuna, Fate, and even closely corresponds to Maia or even Iris (just as Mercury can often correspond to Mercury).

Here is some modern artwork of Rosmerta

The two coins in the upper right hand corner of that picture symbolize Janus, therefore also relating her to the Carna Cardia information I previously linked, as this is about Boundaries, Limitations, Doorways - and about surpassing or passing through them.

This deity was considered the Great Mother, as in "The Goddess". The Feminine aspect of the Universe, so that makes Mercury the male aspect of the Universe. In this concept we only have Yin and Yang.

Rather than Polytheism, this is actually Monotheism obscured, as it takes a very advanced understanding of all of these symbols and themes to really boil it down to what it really expresses - that the Circle is just Oneness. Wholeness. Complete in it's totality.

All of these different gods or goddesses are just allegorical expressions of the many aspects of that Oneness, which is just "God" in modern English. The Absolute. The Uni of Unification.

Ok back to Rosmerta, I'm going to link some articles that go further into depth on the history and concepts associated with this so that it will be painfully clear this is just Fortuna.

Rosmerta, the Great Provider - a Celtic Goddess of Abundance

Rosmerta, a goddess loved by both Celtic and Roman Gauls was known as ”The Great Provider”. She is a goddess of fertility and wealth. She was worshipped in South-western Britain, Gaul, and along the Rhone and the Rhine rivers.

She survived in the Roman era as a powerful goddess in Her own right, being depicted alone many times. Alone and with Mercury, She carries a cornucopia and a basket of fruit, symbols of abundance. A giving goddess, She was often shown with a patera, a ritual offering bowl, and with a ladle or scepter.

Ok now the article references this:

Rosmerta has a unique attribute which has been difficult to decipher. Marian Green suggests that this attribute is a butter churn.

That is because the churn represents Change and Turning - Rotation - Cyclical. In this symbolism it explains that Rosmerta is the Creator Goddess manifesting as an Aspect. I'll explain a connection. Lactating Lakshmi of the Hindis, an equivalent Fortune deity, was said to have arisen from a cosmic ocean of milk that was being churned by the gods and demons to create the elixir of immortality. Kshir Sagar

So at it's most basic sense, a butter churn represents more than just wealth or prosperity or gold (butter), it explains the very concept of Creation itself and relates the Cycles of Nature. It also conveys the idea of "Magic" via the similarity to the concept of the cauldron.

Ok, another interesting link, Order of Light - an Apollo Diana cult - expresses the idea of "Rosmerta" as the Spiritual force of enlightenment and keen discernment.

This website, Earthandstarryheaven, goes into some very specific details about the Rosmerta Mercury connections and relates it to Germanic cults. It almost becomes apparent that Rosmerta is treated in the same way that Frigg is, and I'd personally whisper to you that they are indeed the same if you dig deep enough.

This really good read about Fortuna is critically important and should help really pull a lot of these things together.

Fortuna was usually depicted holding in one hand a cornucopia, or a horn of plenty, from which all good things flowed in abundance, representing Her ability to bestow prosperity; in the other She generally has a ship's rudder, to indicate that She is the one who controls how lives and fates are steered. She could also be shown enthroned, with the same attributes of rudder and cornucopia, but with a small wheel built into the chair, representing the cycles of fate and the ups and downs of fortune. Sometimes She is blind, as an acknowledgment that good luck does not always come to those who seem to most deserve it; at other times She is described as having wings, much like many Etruscan Goddesses—and indeed She was equated with the old Etruscan Fate Goddess Nortia, who was often shown winged.

1) Corpucopia is the Spiral of Convergence and where all things are provided from.
2) The Rudder is the Steering Wheel
3) She's Blind (as a Goddess of Light, Enlightenment, Prophesy, etc - remember Saint Lucy the Blind?)
4) Her throne is the Wheel (WILLPOWER)
5) Winged
6) Equated with Fate (Weaving, Churning, etc etc)

The name Fortuna finds its root in the Latin fero, meaning "to bring, win, receive, or get"

Let's examine related etymology like "How are you FARING" ?

Old English fær "journey, road, passage, expedition,"
Meaning "food provided" is c. 1200 (Old English also had the word in the sense "means of subsistence");
that of "conveyance" appears in Scottish early 15c. and led to sense of "payment for passage" (1510s)

So it's the way, it's the produce, it's the fee, and it's the vehicle.

Old English faran "to journey, set forth, go, travel, wander, make one's way," also "be, happen, exist; be in a particular condition,"

It also means BE, EXIST.
It can mean Balanced or Equal as in Fair.
And what else?

It's the Circus, the Carnival - the 'Fair' or 'Faire'.

It's the Ferry that you cross the divide on, and it's the Fairy that controls the rudder of the ferry.

c. 1300, fairie, "the country or home of supernatural or legendary creatures; fairyland," also "something incredible or fictitious," from Old French faerie "land of fairies, meeting of fairies; enchantment, magic, witchcraft, sorcery" (12c.), from fae "fay," from Latin fata "the Fates," plural of fatum "that which is ordained; destiny, fate," from PIE root *bha- (2) "to speak, tell, say." Also compare fate (n.), also fay.

The Fay is May.

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 05:44 PM
Oh and that link from above, on Fortuna, at the bottom of it is a list of links to all these other aspects of Fortuna. I only checked a few but they are worth glancing at.

A few more related links -

Libation was a central and vital aspect of ancient Greek religion, and one of the simplest and most common forms of religious practice.[2] It is one of the basic religious acts that define piety in ancient Greece, dating back to the Bronze Age and even prehistoric Greece.[3] Libations were a part of daily life, and the pious might perform them every day in the morning and evening, as well as to begin meals.[4] A libation most often consisted of mixed wine and water, but could also be unmixed wine, honey, oil, water, or milk.[5]


An omphalos (ὀμφαλός) is a religious stone artifact, or baetylus. In Greek, the word omphalos means "navel". In Greek lore, Zeus sent two eagles across the world to meet at its center, the "navel" of the world.[1] Omphalos stones marking the centre were erected in several places about the Mediterranean Sea; the most famous of those was at Delphi. Omphalos is also the name of the stone given to Cronus. In the ancient world of the Mediterranean, it was a powerful religious symbol.[2] Omphalos Syndrome refers to the belief that a place of geopolitical power and currency is the most important place in the world.[3][4]

So that's where we get the phrase "it has Oomph" from.
In our modern language oomph can mean sex appeal, punch or vitality, glamour or magnetic charm, etc.

Now this gets interesting:

The omphalos was not only an object of Hellenic religious symbolism and world centrality; it was also considered an object of power. Its symbolic references included the uterus, the phallus, and a cup of red wine representing royal blood lines.

Omphalos stones were believed to allow direct communication with the gods. Holland (1933) suggested that the stone was hollow to allow intoxicating vapours breathed by the Oracle to channel through it.

Even Christians and Muslims utilize this concept to varying degrees:

The omphalos at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem, represents, in Christian mediaeval tradition, the navel of the world (the spiritual and cosmological centre of the world).[5] Jewish tradition held that God revealed himself to His people through the Ark of the Covenant in the Temple in Jerusalem, which rested on the Foundation stone marking the centre of the world.[6] This tradition may have stemmed from the similar one at Delphi.

and the Holy Kaaba (or Cube) in Mecca

There are various links it associates at the bottom, like the Stone of Destiny and the Benben pyramidion.

Ok so in Egypt it's interesting, the capstones of pyramids and obelisks were modeled on this concept.

Atum himself is at times referred to as "mound". It was said to have turned into a small pyramid, located in Heliopolis (Egyptian: Annu or Iunu), within which Atum was said to dwell. Other cities developed their own myths of the primeval mound. At Memphis the god Tatenen, an earth god and the origin of all things in the shape of food and viands, divine offers, all good things was the personification of the primeval mound.

Now get this:

The Benben stone, named after the mound, was a sacred stone in the temple of Ra at Heliopolis (Egyptian: Annu or Iunu). It was the location on which the first rays of the sun fell. It is thought to have been the prototype for later obelisks, and the capstones of the great pyramids were based on its design. The capstone or the tip of the pyramid is also called pyramidion. In ancient Egypt, these were probably gilded, so they shone in sunlight.

The phoenix, the bennu bird, was venerated at Heliopolis, where it was said to be living on the Benben or on the holy willow.

According to Barry Kemp the connection between the benben, the phoenix, and the sun may well have been based on alliteration: the rising, weben, of the sun sending its rays towards the benben, on which the benu bird lives. Utterance 600, § 1652 of the Pyramid Texts speaks of Atum as you rose up, as the benben, in the Mansion of the Benu in Heliopolis.

So this Stone is directly connected with Shining Light, the Phoenex, the God, Divine offering and gifts, etc.

An interesting similar concept is the practice of making a Steeple on Churches...
Anyways, I'll be back later tonight hopefully....

posted on Jun, 30 2017 @ 09:17 PM
I'm on my phone currently, but I'd like to add a few bits about Rosmerta.

Rosmerta is Maia and is also directly associated with the Deae Matres, the Divine Mother Goddesses - which come in triads.

So it can be Demeter, Persephone, and Hecate or the trinity of Shakti or whatever.

And of course Rosmerta - Maia is associated with Poppies, as is Mercury.

Hell even JK Rowling figured this out. I kept Googling for Poppy Rosmerta and most all of the hits were to a part of Harry Potter where Rosmerta the landlord of the Three Broomsticks and the Nurse named Poppy were put together. I'm not thinking that's a random mistaken coincidence.

Now get this, Mercury was Lugh in a lot of these myth cycles connecting to Rosmerta - here's a quote

Lugh’s sling rod was the rainbow and the Milky Way was called "Lugh's Chain". He also had a magic spear (named Brionac), which, unlike the rod-sling, he had no need to wield since it was alive and thirsted so for blood that only by steeping its head in a sleeping-draught of pounded fresh poppy seeds could it be kept at rest. When battle was near, it was drawn out; then it roared and struggled against its thongs, fire flashed from it, and it tore through the ranks of the enemy once slipped from the leash, never tired of slaying.

So his spear had to be kept in poppy seeds so it wouldn't go berzerk. The Rainbow was his sling rod, which is interesting because normally it's bows like the crescent moon is depicted as a bow.


At some point I need to get back to thanksgiving and the three sisters, corn beans and pumpkins.

The cornucopia which is a style of basket or purse was in many traditions an actual pumpkin. It was also the libation bowl.

For example several traditions like Oshun, would fill their pumpkin with honey - thats why calling someone pumpkin sounds really sweet. Other plant names aside of sugar or peach don't work so well as pet names of affection.

The pumpkin was also according to some legends the first lamp or lantern.

The corn poppy or corn rose is the one associated with Remembrance Day.

And interestingly by pure chance I wrote the OP of this thread when many poppies begin to bloom. To me that's a very meaningful realization, because I had no idea.

I'll figure out how to tie in magic beans later, but before I forget -

May I Please = Magic Words
People love it when you ask nicely. I especially do. "May I" is such a powerful way to ask for something and it really warms other's Hearts and earns their grace by showing them how much you respect and appreciate them.

Maya Maia May is the deity of Magic afterall, so make sure you say that name when you need someones help. It really works, especially on me.

Saying "gimme" is sorta rude and I tend to scorn it as a disrespectful demand. I am sure most agree. If you want help and good fortune say "May I Please?" it's magical.

And if you're in a very serious emergency and need help immediately, especially if you're flying a plane or sailing a boat and you're gonna crash - you should yell "Mayday". It'll get their attention and help will be on it's way.

And remember - say Mayday 3 times. That's the rule. Everyone internationally recognizes it as the distress call. And May you be Fortunate in your travels so you won't have to make that kinda call...

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