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originally posted by: icanteven
originally posted by: TXRabbit
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Rezlooper
Thats fine. Bear all the plagues you want and put your children and others at risk.
When they are cold things in your arms, rather than the warm, animate beings they once were, and once you have the devastated parents of other children, standing in front of you, other cold, dead children who would have lived but for your poor decision making, I hope your righteous indignation and individuality are enough to save your life.
But I very much doubt they will be.
Explain how not getting vaccinated puts others at risk. I'm assuming that by "others" you are meaning those who Are vaccinated? Well.....if they're vaccinated then they have nothing to worry about, right?
Are there any cultures on this globe or even regions that don't get the vaccinations we think we need? If so, how are they doing? Have they survived?
Do you even read anything other than a handful of blogs? Herd immunity is what keeps us safe. That's why it's important for the majority of the population to get vaccinated.
Measles and polio just didn't disappear from the population. It was a result of a sustained immunization program that nearly wiped these plagues from the earth.
So by all means, do what you need to do with your family. But please keep Jr. at home so he's not at risk of sickening other children. Oh, and make sure to tell him or her that they can never travel to a foreign country since it will be easy for them to pick up a deadly disease.
originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Rezlooper
My son is now three weeks old. I knew that I wasn't super thrilled about vaccines before he was born. Over the last few months I have gone head first into full blown research mode regarding the pro and con arguments surrounding vaccines. We are now on our 5th doctors visit. We have now been approached with our first vaccine choice: Hep B. Hepatitis B is an adult disease passed mainly via dirty heroine needles, and less commonly unprotected sex. It has a ultra low mortality rate (.01%), and there are roughly 200,000 cases every year in the USA. The logic was not difficult for me. Why would I risk my child's well being by injecting him with poison with a higher risk of injury than the disease it is claiming to protect from?
For all the pro vaccine people, have you ever looked into the diseases the vaccines are for? I am going to list a few, just so you can see my logic. Vaccines are not 100% safe. No doctor can tell you that there are. Every single vaccine has the potential to make you ill, or lose your life. There is NO medicine on the face of the earth that is 100% safe. Most of the numbers that I see from various studies and statistics, is that there is roughly a 1/20,000 chance of having an "adverse reaction", all the way up to death.
Chickenpox/Varicella? When I was a kid, we ALL got the pox. It clears up without medical intervention, and is virtually harmless. Worth the risk? Three shots that have the possibility of life altering consequences? No thanks.
Measles? Maybe I would consider it if we lived in Africa and had HIV, but fortunately we don't. Pass.
Mumps? Super rare, also clears up by itself. But just to be sure, here is a quick mumps vaccine commercial/fear porn news story. Look at how hard the anchor is trying to be dramatic about the non-situation. I guess it is a 300% increase...
Corpor ate Pharma Fear Porn Story
Rubella? Yet another harmless disease that runs it's course without medical intervention.
HPV? Yet another STD we are told we "need" to protect our child from. I am sure that even you pro-vaccine people have heard of all of the cases of injury coming from Gardisal. If not, here is a good starting point:Just A Dad.
Here is a nice family that was pro-vaccine. Check out what an HPV vaccine did to her pride and joy:
For all of the people on here that are rabidly pro-vaccine, and using the same fear tactics that the medical establishment does, I can assure you that most of the people that are skeptical of the religion of vaccination have done their research. I have read countless papers, numerous studies, and more research than I would care to. Why? Because of the massive propaganda campaign being shoved down our throats. You pro-vaccine parrots are a part of this. Look at some of these comments, talking about people's kids dying because of someone's well thought out and highly informed decisions.
If you are not aware, if your child is injured by a vaccine, you cannot sue. Every vaccine has a .75 tax added to it, and then anytime someone claims to have been injured by a vaccination, they get a small payoff after months, and even years of fighting with the secret vaccine court. It really is a genius business model. They never have to take liability or responsibility for the people that are injured, and of course, they RARELY attribute the vaccine as the cause, which skews the actual numbers provided for the injuries and deaths.
Vaccine Injury Compensation Scam
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system for resolving vaccine injury petitions.
What a genius business model. Kind of sounds like the big bankster bailouts, doesn't it? The companies can maim and kill as many people as they want, and they NEVER have to dish out a single penny. The customer is the one that gets to pony up for their poison. Injured by a vaccine? Shut up and take some money, we have a business to run!
"By 2016, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded nearly $3.6 billion dollars to vaccine victims for their catastrophic vaccine injuries, although two out of three applicants have been denied compensation." That doesn't sound fishy to you? That doesn't even make you want to question the entire vaccine narrative? Don't worry though, it was a no-fault payoff. Vaccines didn't do anything!
I know, I am a crazy conspiracy theorist because I took the time to actually make an informed decision about my kids health, instead of taking peoples word for it. I read the inserts. I understand the system.
In most cases, vaccines have a higher risk attached to them than the diseases they claim to prevent. When my son catches chickenpox, and isn't sitting in a wheelchair attached to a breathing machine, I will know that I have made the correct decision. Stop soaking up the propaganda people, you are smarter than this. Take the time and read up yourself.
originally posted by: Restricted
a reply to: Rezlooper
So it's your basic "F" you and yours, I'm going to do what I want to do and endanger the health of everyone around me.
Frankly, I think people should be forcibly vaccinated for all the childhood diseases, and the stuff that's popped up in recent years, like HPV.
Enough of this tip-toeing around the dissenters.
SOMEONE, GROW A SET.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Rezlooper
I was very hesitant when I vaccinated my kids.
But after doing the research on the doctor that linked autism to vaccines and seeing now that autism study linking smoking by maternal grandmother can induce autism in children. I call BS on the anti vaxxer community.
The anti vaxxer argument has been completely discredited. There is no shred of truth to the argument. All your doing playing with your kids life.
originally posted by: HorizonFall
a reply to: kibric
Your words are very kind and uplifting. Thank you. It is good to know some remain aware.
However, they could never get me down. They have no power over me. If we stand together, they will fall.
We will rise. We will break this world out of the cesspool of suffering which the social engineers have so meticulously crafted.
Their reign is coming to an end. Only now, they finally know it.
So it's really a matter of the statist/collectivist versus those who believe in free will. I know what side I'm on.
originally posted by: seizeX
How about the increased incidence(s) of shingles over the last decade+? Used to be shingles was an elderly disease - now even people in their 30s-40s (and sometimes younger) are contracting the disease.
Why is that?
Turns out having the chickenpox does not give you lifelong immunity. You have to constantly be exposed to the virus throughout your life (even though it manifests no symptoms after you contract it the first time) in order to keep your immunity. As children grew up they would leave their parents home. Those parents would then become empty-nesters and be far less exposed to children on a day-to-day basis; thus their immunity to the disease would dwindle - and when they were finally exposed again they would then have the adult version (and far more deadly) of the disease. Shingles.
Nowadays because of the chickenpox vaccine children are not contracting chickenpox as often and as a result younger adults are not constantly exposed to the disease. When they finally are exposed to the virus, WHAM, they get shingles. A painful and sometimes fatal disease.
But if the virus was 'commonnplace,' children would readily contract it as chickenpox (as I did in the 80s) and shingles would be a very rare disease (as I mentioned usually only noticed in very elderly individuals).
We messed with this natural check and balance and now look what's happening. Go vaccines.
originally posted by: Charliezin82
Fact - Almost all vaccinated diseases were on a tremendous decline prior to the vaccine.
Fact - There is no study showing a control group of non-vaccinated children, and whenever someone tries it always shows a tremendous benefit to the un-vaccinated children before quickly being shut down.
Fact - Vaccine makers are protected by our government and cannot be sued even with cause.
Fact - Vaccine courts have awarded hundreds of millions of dollars to families damaged by vaccines yet these actual proven cases of damages cannot happen in a true court so are always dismissed from public discussion.
Fact - there is a clear conflict of interest with certain members on the board of the CDC that determines the vaccine schedule also holding patents for the vaccines they are mandating the public to purchase. They are personally earning billions by forcing the public to purchase their product. This has been investigated by congress, but no one ever talks about it.