“Socialism Has Produced Some Very Powerful Millionaires”

As predicted (as happens in most Socialist countries), Venezuela is run by wealthy elites who are having a blast while their countrymen starve in the streets. Again proven, once the government has a firm grip on the economy, it will distribute that wealth to the people who are the most loyal to the continuation of that government and most of them are government officials or people close to them. Go figure.

www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/socialism-has-produced-some-very-powerful-millionaires-as-venezuelans-starve-in-the-streets-the-elites-party-on_0620201 7

It’s always funny to debate socialists on the merits of their ideology. If you point to a country like Venezuela, and say “See! This is what socialism leads to,” they’ll no doubt claim that it isn’t a real example of socialism. But if you went back in time by just a few years, you’d find that their perception of Venezuela was quite different.

Celebrities like Sean Penn, Oliver Stone, and Danny Glover praised the regime not too long ago, as did intellectuals like Noam Chomsky. Six years ago, Bernie Sanders claimed that “the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina.” These days however, those voices are conveniently silent in regards to Venezuela. There’s always at least one “perfect” example of socialism for leftists to hold up, right up until that that shining example utterly fails.

And this is why we resist socialism... It fails, it always fails, and it always lowers most of the population into a "peasant class".

And the best line in the article and most truthful.

I’m sure that fact is also conveniently ignored by leftists celebrities and intellectuals. They’re so wrapped up in their ideology that they can’t see the truth that is staring them in the face. Not only does socialism always fail, this ideology that so many leftists claim can end wealth inequality, always leaves the masses hungry and poor. It always props up a rich elite class that is insulated from the problems that they cause.

And capitalism has produced even more billionaires who are totally insulated from the misery of the masses, so, your point is?

Waiting for the masses to get mad, in the meantime, i agree, but i gotta go grab my popcorn. I would never wanna live in a full blown socialist country EVER.

a reply to: infolurker

Sounds a lot like capitalism to me except capitalism creates more millionaires/billionaires.

a reply to: infolurker

That is because it is really crony-capitalism under the hood.

a reply to: infolurker

The US is $20,000,000,000,000 in debt, so laugh all you want at the socialists-capitalism will and is faltering too.

Any system that has massive corruption is going to crash.

a reply to: daskakik

100% agree.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: infolurker

The US is $20,000,000,000,000 in debt, so laugh all you want at the socialists-capitalism will and is faltering too.

Any system that has massive corruption is going to crash.

Very true.

Less corrupt nations with socialist principles do very well. Look at that list of best nations in the world to live in for example.

The problem here isn't socialism or capitalism , it's corruption.

a reply to: Painterz

And with the corruption you get huge wealth disparity.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: infolurker

The US is $20,000,000,000,000 in debt, so laugh all you want at the socialists-capitalism will and is faltering too.

Any system that has massive corruption is going to crash.

The current system is not capitalism. It is a sort of corporatism.

In capitalism, banks wouldn't be bailed out and many other special favors to corporate interests woul not be given out.

We also would not have a federal reserve.

In fact, it seems the more the government get involved, the more problems we get. Seems that would indicate socialism is bad.

But humor me, name me one socialist country that has had success?

According to the article in the OP, great thinkers such as Noam Chomsky and Bernie Sanders touted Venzuela as an enormous success. Why were they so wrong?

a reply to: infolurker

In case you haven't noticed already most of the population is in the peasant class, you can throw whatever label you like and
Call it whatever, reality is most of us are peasants and will remain so regardless of what system is in place .

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: infolurker

Sounds a lot like capitalism to me except capitalism creates more millionaires/billionaires.

So we're all as bad off as they are in Venezuela these days? So bad off we're breaking into the zoos and eating the animals? So bad off that every day, the government has to seize some new sector of teh economy just to distribute its goods to keep the people from eating them alive? So bad off that our hospitals have *no* medicines at all, not even for the rich?

I don't think you know at all what you are talking about.

Do we have poor people here? Yes, so poor that they're all dying of obesity.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: infolurker

In case you haven't noticed already most of the population is in the peasant class, you can throw whatever label you like and
Call it whatever, reality is most of us are peasants and will remain so regardless of what system is in place .

I agree with you in principal.

But us peasants eat everyday, we have shelter, we have computers and playstations and big screens, cars, and running water.

Compare that to, oh I don't know, the peasants in socialist Venezuela, or the Soviet Union, or North Korea, or socialist china, or Cuba.

a reply to: Grambler

Corporatism is what capitalism leads to. After people make it big do you really expect them not to use their money to influence things?

a reply to: Grambler

Can you compare? Do you know what it is like?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

And that's only a problem if you cannot be content with your standard of living. If you cannot be content knowing you can likely afford a car, a reasonable house, a computer, a cell phone, cable, a flat screen TV, etc., all the little perks of American life that most people seem to be able to enjoy, even if they live on public assistance, then maybe your issue is less with your actual poverty and more with your own inability to reconcile your lacks with what others have.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Grambler

Corporatism is what capitalism leads to. After people make it big do you really expect them not to use their money to influence things?

Sure, and they way they influence is through controlling the government. That is why a bigger government leads to corruption.

Capitalism is not perfect. But it is the best economic system we have ever came up with.

Socialism is a known failure. Name me one country where it has worked.

a reply to: Grambler

Ask Trump and Clinton if we got capitalism. I think most people think what we got is capitalism.

Of course I agree with you, but I fear it is too far gone to have a velvet reclamation.

I think we will humor each other with any country that has any sort of successful econ system. Humans mess things up-----

originally posted by: Grambler
Sure, and they way they influence is through controlling the government. That is why a bigger government leads to corruption.

Non sequitur. The size of the government doesn't matter.

Capitalism is not perfect. But it is the best economic system we have ever came up with.

It doesn't even exist.

Socialism is a known failure. Name me one country where it has worked.

It doesn't exist either.

a reply to: daskakik

If we had text book what even econ, it would work. But you get people involved and things go sideways in a hurry.

Right now the US is going sideways very very fast. Wealth is going up in one direction at a pre great depression 1920's rate.