What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Salander

How many times have I specifically asked you how the crew and passengers of flight 77 ended up dead at the pentagon. What remains were released to families for burial.

You first......,

I thought the plane was vaporized and pulverized? Not to be insensitive nobody is identifying loves ones that day. There is no evidence of passenger bodies got found, if you have it, link us to information we can look at.

a reply to: neutronflux


You cannot prove that certain named passengers and crew (not including the hijackers of course, they didn't name them on the list at first) were found at the pentagon.

Yes, you can incessantly repeat pentagon press releases, but that doesn't make it so. Mary Tillman believed those guys for a few months, but then realized they had lied to her. The Pentagon is really good about lying, and Mary Tillman found out the hard way.

Because there was no airliner at the pentagon, there could not have been passengers or crew or their DNA.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Soooo?

Whe have gone from your claim flight 77 should have not made it to the pentagon because the pentagon had a missile system.

Then you claimed flight 77 should have crashed on the ground because the engines hang down eight feet below the fuselage from a jet whose fuselage can sit as close as 7 feet 9 inches above the runway.

Then to a jet that you claim should have broken apart and fell stright to the ground. Now you are angry that a jet you claim should be in the process of breaking apart only broke eight columns.

You are literally losing ground.

Do you have a coherent and rational message.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

Ah yes, the "if there's not a picture of it, it didn't happen" argument. We SEE 4-5 in one picture. There are more than just those columns in the building, you know. We didn't see pictures of every single thing that day.

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The significance is those columns at the first floor are not broken. Thus the government version of events don't match.

a reply to: Jacobu12

And there were a lot of columns that we didn't see.

The BPS team concluded that the impact of the aircraft destroyed or significantly impaired approximately 50 structural columns. The ensuing fire weakened a number of other structural elements. However, only a very small segment of the affected structure collapsed, approximately 20 minutes after impact

www.nist.gov...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Soooo?

Whe have gone from your claim flight 77 should have not made it to the pentagon because the pentagon had a missile system.

Then you claimed flight 77 should have crashed on the ground because the engines hang down eight feet below the fuselage from a jet whose fuselage can sit as close as 7 feet 9 inches above the runway.

Then to a jet that you claim should have broken apart and fell stri to the ground. Now you are angry that a jet you claim should be in the process of breaking apart only broke eight columns.

You are literally losing ground.

Do you have a coherent and rational message.

I said the engines, is 8 feet 10 inches below the wing of the plane. It's obvious you are clueless to why this is important ( as you keep talking about plane being 7 feet 9 inches on the runway) The government version, the Pentagon lawn (ground) to the top of the plane was no more than 20 feet, that's it. If you measured downward from top to the bottom fuselage you got 12 feet 2 inches..Therefore you only got 8 feet left (always keep in mind the 20feet)

While the engine might not be even with the bottom of the fuselage is still extends down below it. If the engine was at 7 feet below the bottom, for example it still be 19 feet. At 19 feet you only have 12 inches of space.

Government version is 8 columns got broken and i guess you missed the part where it didn't break 8 columns, it broke 4 or 5.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Again, you are angry a jet you think should be in the process of breaking up before hitting the pentagon only broke eight columns? WTF?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Again, you are angry a jet you think should be in the process of breaking up before hitting the pentagon only broke eight columns? WTF?

It didn't we got a photograph that disputes that shows only 4 broken not 8 read the thread. Do you believe the photograph is fake?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

And there were a lot of columns that we didn't see.

The BPS team concluded that the impact of the aircraft destroyed or significantly impaired approximately 50 structural columns. The ensuing fire weakened a number of other structural elements. However, only a very small segment of the affected structure collapsed, approximately 20 minutes after impact

www.nist.gov...

Are you going to keep denying it?
www.911tap.org...

a reply to: Jacobu12

You don't understand those numbers obviously.

From the ground to the top of the fuselage is 21 feet 7 inches. That's with the wheels down. So a parked 757 is 21 feet 7 inches at the top of the fuselage.

The engines are not 8 feet 10 inches below the wing. That's been said about a dozen times. The maximum diameter of the engine is 8 feet 1 inch.

a reply to: Jacobu12

That pretty much matches up to what I quoted, that something like 50 were destroyed or damaged. If there were only four that suffered significant damage, then the wall wouldn't have collapsed like that.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

You don't understand those numbers obviously.

From the ground to the top of the fuselage is 21 feet 7 inches. That's with the wheels down. So a parked 757 is 21 feet 7 inches at the top of the fuselage.

The engines are not 8 feet 10 inches below the wing. That's been said about a dozen times. The maximum diameter of the engine is 8 feet 1 inch.

The engine still extends below the fuselage bottom, only the top part of the engine is even with the bottom.

You have to reduce the feet from the engine to reach the magic number of 20. The engine is close to 9 feet in length. 8 feet 10 inches is just off by 2 inches to be 9 feet.

How many feet is the engine below the bottom of the fuselage, i wait for the answer.

a reply to: Jacobu12

a reply to: Jacobu12

And I cited the tallest portion of the entrance hole was 26 feet tall.

And I cited the ground slopes down and away from the pentagon.

And now, a jet you claimed should have been in the process of breaking apart didn't hold together long enough to brake the correct number of columns to make you happy?

Can your argument be any more contradicting, disjointed, and irrational.

Evidently you can not give an honest answer for dimension from the top of the fuselage to the bottom of the engine.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

That pretty much matches up to what I quoted, that something like 50 were destroyed or damaged. If there were only four that suffered significant damage, then the wall wouldn't have collapsed like that.

It doesn't and you just trying to get out of this. Notice the red blocks the first set of columns (first floor) count them, please?

a reply to: Jacobu12

The closest the fuselage can sit to the runway by spec is 7 feet 9 inches. The engines sit at least two feet above the run way for a fudge fact during a hard landing so the engines doesn't slam into the runway if the suspension is compressed fully in.

a reply to: Jacobu12

What in God's name does the engine length have to do with anything?

Look...I know this one will go over your head too, but I'll try again. Twenty feet is irrelevant. That's the height with the wheels down. Fight 77 didn't have the wheels down.

The engine is 8 feet 1 inch in diameter, going with the maximum diameter shown for the RB211. It's about 7 feet 9 inches from the ground to the bottom of the fuselage, it's 2 feet 10 inches to the bottom of the engine from the ground. Somewhere between 4 and 5 feet hang below the bottom of the fuselage depending on load on the aircraft.

a reply to: Jacobu12

How many columns should a jet in the process of breaking apart before hitting the pentagon, according to, have broken?

a reply to: Jacobu12

The document I quoted said 50 columns damaged, which your image shows. Yet again, you SEE 4 damaged columns, that doesn't mean only 4 were damaged.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

The closest the fuselage can sit to the runway by spec is 7 feet 9 inches. The engines sit at least two feet above the run way for a fudge fact during a hard landing so the engine doesn't slam into the runway if the suspension is compressed fully in.

it has nothing to do with the plane sitting on a runaway. The plane dropped it was just 20 feet when flying.

Think of 20 feet outside!!! Shell of the plane is taking up 12 feet of that space. That only leaves 8 feet of space. The problem then is the engine extend further below the fuselage. Even if you took 1 feet away, that be still 19 feet.

Imagine an airliner flying just 12 inches of the ground, got a ruler measuring tape think about that!

a reply to: Jacobu12

The problem is the engines don't hang almost 9 feet like you keep claiming.