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originally posted by: neutronflux
And still no answer to if it was not a jet...
How the hole on the front of the pentagon got there.
How there was no interior of the pentagon blown out into the lawn.
Why were the trailers outside the pentagon pushed towards the pentagon, not away.
If conspiracists claim the concrete floors of the pentagon went undamaged and posted pictures of bare undamaged concrete floors, then how did a missile, or bomb, detonation leave the floors undamaged.
Why windows in the pentagon were not blown out into the lawn.
Why was there no indications of an over pressure event from a detonation like blown out car windows or blown over vegitation.
Why the last holes punched our grew smaller from an explosion that the pressure wave would have spread out and grew weaker.
How the human remains of passengers and crew of flight 77 ended up at the pentagon.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12
And has little context in that over a hundred eyewitnesses attest to a large jet impact along the flight path backed by radar, flight controllers, an in air pilot, flight recorder data, security cameras, and contact evidence on an antenna, light poles, trees, trailers, and a concrete wall.
The damage at the pentagon has no evidence of being caused by a bomb or missile.
Agree there......odd that.....too!
originally posted by: Jacobu12
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
And I can find a crash that has four eyewitnesses that describe four different things. Eyewitness testimony is unreliable and can't be used for specifics.
I agree, i just pointing out eyewitnesses that day saw different things flying around!
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
Did you notice the "IIRC"? That means "IF I RECALL CORRECTLY" which means I was trying to remember, and going from memory.
And not listed on BTS doesn't mean not scheduled.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
I'm well aware of what it is. And BTS records can be changed. Flights can be removed from them for various reasons. There are no absolutely 100% accurate records that can't be altered.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
Flight 77's FDR was recovered. And it wasn't United, it was American. Just because the transponder was shut off doesn't mean there wasn't a radar track. The radar at the airport tracked the flight all the way to impact from the time it entered their coverage area.
originally posted by: Jacobu12
originally posted by: neutronflux
And still no answer to if it was not a jet...
How the hole on the front of the pentagon got there.
How there was no interior of the pentagon blown out into the lawn.
Why were the trailers outside the pentagon pushed towards the pentagon, not away.
If conspiracists claim the concrete floors of the pentagon went undamaged and posted pictures of bare undamaged concrete floors, then how did a missile, or bomb, detonation leave the floors undamaged.
Why windows in the pentagon were not blown out into the lawn.
Why was there no indications of an over pressure event from a detonation like blown out car windows or blown over vegitation.
Why the last holes punched our grew smaller from an explosion that the pressure wave would have spread out and grew weaker.
How the human remains of passengers and crew of flight 77 ended up at the pentagon.
I said commercial jet, not a jet of another type. A globalhawk with united airlines marking would look like a passenger jet to an untrained eye. I have not had time yet to explore the front lawn damage. The evidence we have so far i think is powerful enough to question the official narrative.
However, the essence of this paper is that the scientific method proves all alternatives to large plane impact virtually impossible.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
BTS records are for on time statistics. The data is sent to them from the airline, based on the flights sending an ACARS message with their departure time. If the flights didn't send data to the airline, there is no data for the airline to forward.
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: Jacobu12
originally posted by: neutronflux
And still no answer to if it was not a jet...
How the hole on the front of the pentagon got there.
How there was no interior of the pentagon blown out into the lawn.
Why were the trailers outside the pentagon pushed towards the pentagon, not away.
If conspiracists claim the concrete floors of the pentagon went undamaged and posted pictures of bare undamaged concrete floors, then how did a missile, or bomb, detonation leave the floors undamaged.
Why windows in the pentagon were not blown out into the lawn.
Why was there no indications of an over pressure event from a detonation like blown out car windows or blown over vegitation.
Why the last holes punched our grew smaller from an explosion that the pressure wave would have spread out and grew weaker.
How the human remains of passengers and crew of flight 77 ended up at the pentagon.
I said commercial jet, not a jet of another type. A globalhawk with united airlines marking would look like a passenger jet to an untrained eye. I have not had time yet to explore the front lawn damage. The evidence we have so far i think is powerful enough to question the official narrative.
F'n question what? You will not even state a theory contrary to large jet impact. One moment you are pushing no jet, then pushing there was a jet? One post you state the engines would have hit the ground, but then its the jet would have fell straight down to the ground because it violated a conservatively low limit.
So, what are you trying to prove. Any large event has loose ends.
You lose all credibility by chasing items that have been debunked over and over again, and things you see as "smoking guns" that have been argued and already discredited. That is why the supposed "smoking guns" fizzled out. Claiming conspiracy when it can be explained by call forwarding, fish eyed lenses, or the lawn being lower than the pentagon. Not everything is a conspiracy.
To totally ignore a hundred plus witnesses that are backed by evidence to push one or two accounts with no context shows your irrational bias.
If you want to make progress, pick one theory, champion that theory, and create a credible argument for that theory.
Jumping and swinging from theory to theory is killing your image, credibility, rationality, and makes you seem disingenuous and desperate.
Blowing off items cited from sources to have you brush them off with just your opinion is condescending. It's obvious you are here for you, not the truth.
Do yourself a favor. Spend a day or two studying metabunk and international skeptics. Pick a single theory to champion, use those sites to better anticipate rebuttals, and comeback with a coherent argument and a single message.
originally posted by: Jacobu12
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12
BTS records are for on time statistics. The data is sent to them from the airline, based on the flights sending an ACARS message with their departure time. If the flights didn't send data to the airline, there is no data for the airline to forward.
It's easy to make a excuse for this years later. The fact is flight 77 Sep 11 was not scheduled to fly, but mysteriously did on 9/11