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What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

I agree the commission shouldn't have included box cutters in the report.

Now discredit eyewitness accounts, inflight accounts, DNA evidence, radar data, air traffic controller's accounts, flight recorder data, and physical evidence that proves flight 77 crashed into the pentagon cited at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial. The trial you yourself legitimized by dragging Olson phone recorders into the debate.




posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

And just to provide all the story in that:
Barbara could have contacted Ted via cell phone.
Barbra talked to more persons than Ted


911myths.com...


Lori Lynn Keyton, Secretary, Department .6f Justice (DOJ), Washing-tori, D.C., telephone number (202) I . date of birth'["^
LJ was contacted telephonically at her residence through the DOJ Command Center at (202) 514-5000. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, Keyton provided the following information:
Keyton was working in Ted Olson's Office this morning. She is regularly called there to cover the telephones. At approximately 9:00am, she received a series of approximately six (6) to eight (8) collect telephone calls. Each of the calls was an automated collect call. There was a recording advising of the collect call and requesting she hold for an operator. A short time later another recording stated that all operators were busy, please hang up and try your call later.
Keyton then received a collect call from a live operator. The operator advised that there was an emergency collect call from Barbara Olsen for Ted Olsen. Keyton advised that she would accept the call. Barbara Olsen was put through and sounded hysterical. Barbara Olsen said, "Can you tell Ted.." Keyton cut her off and said, "I'll put him on the line."
There was a second telephone call a few to five (5) minutes later. This time Barbara Olsen was on the line when she answered. She called direct. It was not a collect call. Barbara Olsen said, "It's Barbara." Keyton said, "he's on the phone with the command center, I'll put you through."
Keyton advised that there is no caller identification feature on the phone she was using. Keyton didn't know if Barbara Olson was calling from the phone on the plane or from her cell phone


And Barbara my have talked to operators?
911myths.com...
edit on 11-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Added left out part



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

And just to provide all the story in that:
Barbara could have contacted Ted via cell phone.
Barbra talked to more persons than Ted


911myths.com...


Lori Lynn Keyton, Secretary, Department .6f Justice (DOJ), Washing-tori, D.C., telephone number (202) I . date of birth'["^
LJ was contacted telephonically at her residence through the DOJ Command Center at (202) 514-5000. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, Keyton provided the following information:
Keyton was working in Ted Olson's Office this morning. She is regularly called there to cover the telephones. At approximately 9:00am, she received a series of approximately six (6) to eight (8) collect telephone calls. Each of the calls was an automated collect call. There was a recording advising of the collect call and requesting she hold for an operator. A short time later another recording stated that all operators were busy, please hang up and try your call later.
Keyton then received a collect call from a live operator. The operator advised that there was an emergency collect call from Barbara Olsen for Ted Olsen. Keyton advised that she would accept the call. Barbara Olsen was put through and sounded hysterical. Barbara Olsen said, "Can you tell Ted.." Keyton cut her off and said, "I'll put him on the line."
There was a second telephone call a few to five (5) minutes later. This time Barbara Olsen was on the line when she answered. She called direct. It was not a collect call. Barbara Olsen said, "It's Barbara." Keyton said, "he's on the phone with the command center, I'll put you through."
Keyton advised that there is no caller identification feature on the phone she was using. Keyton didn't know if Barbara Olson was calling from the phone on the plane or from her cell phone


And Barbara my have talked to operators?
911myths.com...


FBI have confirmed she did not talk to her Husband when the flight allegedly got hijacked. So why did he create a complex story about hijackers with box cutter knives ?

There is no photograph or video evidence of plane crashing at the Pentagon.

Remember when i told you about a chemical bomb used to bring down the tower.

The evidence for that is this truthandshadows.files.wordpress.com...

chemical bomb reacted and caused a chain reaction and you got molten steel and iron.
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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

No, actually the FBI testified that the 5 Airfone calls that came from Flight 77, were from Barbra to Ted. Again, a lack of completing the research.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, actually the FBI testified that the 5 Airfone calls that came from Flight 77, were from Barbra to Ted. Again, a lack of completing the research.


False. Only 3 calls where confirmed by the FBI. 2 calls by a flight attendant., the other by Barbara Olson. Those other calls could be from any time before the hijacking. They are calls to unknown numbers. We know for a fact she did not speak to her husband after takeoff. He is the person who claimed the Pentagon plane was hijacked and they used box cutters.
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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 03:35 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

No, the FBI confirmed not through the AT&T network.

What you are ignoring. That Renee May called in the hijackings.

There were at least 4 unknown cell phone calls from flight 77 that connected.

Barbara Olson talked to operators, a secretary, and Ted Olson.

Your cited information left out many items to create a partial, biased, and false narrative. Classic example why the truth movement has no credibility......
edit on 12-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Fixed wording



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, actually the FBI testified that the 5 Airfone calls that came from Flight 77, were from Barbra to Ted. Again, a lack of completing the research.


False. Only 3 calls where confirmed by the FBI. 2 calls by a flight attendant., the other by Barbara Olson. Those other calls could be from any time before the hijacking. They are calls to unknown numbers. We know for a fact she did not speak to her husband after takeoff. He is the person who claimed the Pentagon plane was hijacked and they used box cutters.


No, she was not the only person to call from flight 77.

Renee May called from flight 77 to two different parties to report the hijackings. The additional information provided by Barbara Olson was the box cutters.

Sad you must hid facts and ignore actual events.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 03:47 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Your list....

Ignores all calls made from flight 11 from at lease two different people that reported the hijacking.

Not did Barbara Olson only talk to Ted, but a secretary and operators.

And your evidence is a broken engine part the wrong diameter for and jet? A picture you use out of context.

You will not provide a name of any instructor who stated Hanjour could not crash the jet into the pentagon which is larger than 24 football fields.

Will not describe / reference the maneuvers he supposedly could not preform.

Will not describe/ reference the maneuvers you claim experience pilot's couldn't make.

While ignoring instructors believed Hanjour could have crashed into the pentagon, his 600 hours logged flight time, private pilot's license, FAA commercial certificate, his simulator training, and rented time in simulators where he could have practiced crashing into the pentagon.

And you will not explain how there was no interior of the pentagon on the front lawn.

I will remind you of things you willfully ignore to answer.....

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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, the FBI confirmed not through the AT&T network.

What you are ignoring. That Renee May called in the hijackings.

There were at least 4 unknown cell phone calls from flight 77 that connected.

Barbara Olson talked to operators, a secretary, and Ted Olson.

Your cited information left out many items to create a partial, biased, and false narrative. Classic example why the truth movement has no credibility......


There is no evidence at all Renee May told her Daughter and Parents, the plane got hijacked. Government to this day have not released a recording of her voice. The FBI have only confirmed 3 calls aboard flight 77.. The other 4 calls are unknown number's and can not be verified who made the call and to who.

The information i provided is factual. Calls made to operator and a secretary is all hearsay and after the 9/11 event
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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, actually the FBI testified that the 5 Airfone calls that came from Flight 77, were from Barbra to Ted. Again, a lack of completing the research.


False. Only 3 calls where confirmed by the FBI. 2 calls by a flight attendant., the other by Barbara Olson. Those other calls could be from any time before the hijacking. They are calls to unknown numbers. We know for a fact she did not speak to her husband after takeoff. He is the person who claimed the Pentagon plane was hijacked and they used box cutters.


No, she was not the only person to call from flight 77.

Renee May called from flight 77 to two different parties to report the hijackings. The additional information provided by Barbara Olson was the box cutters.

Sad you must hid facts and ignore actual events.


No she did not we have no voice of this only she phoned her daughter and parents aboard flight 77. The information about the box cutter terrorists was told to him by her. This is false as the FBI have no record of him speaking to her so he lied.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, the FBI confirmed not through the AT&T network.

What you are ignoring. That Renee May called in the hijackings.

There were at least 4 unknown cell phone calls from flight 77 that connected.

Barbara Olson talked to operators, a secretary, and Ted Olson.

Your cited information left out many items to create a partial, biased, and false narrative. Classic example why the truth movement has no credibility......


There is no evidence at all Renee May told her Daughter and Parents, the plane got hijacked. Government to this day have not released a recording of her voice. The FBI have only confirmed 3 calls aboard flight 77.. The other 4 calls are unknown number's and can not be verified who made the call and to who.

The information i provided is factual. Calls made to operator and a secretary is all hearsay and after the 9/11 event


Yes there is she even tells her mom to inform the airline.here's a listing of all the calls from the flights.

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 07:22 AM
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Below: Barbara Olson did not speak to her husband and we must not in believe in phantom phone calls to unknown recipients?
"Ignores all calls made from flight 11 from at lease two different people that reported the hijacking"


Below: I have not dismissed she phoned her daughter and mother, but no voice record exists of her shouting about hijackers aboard flight 77
"What you are ignoring. That Renee May called in the hijackings"


Below False : 4 calls show a operator dial but no recipient. Phone records don't back up the secretary story of speaking to Barbara Olson.
"here were at least 4 unknown cell phone calls from flight 77 that connected"
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Seven months away from 9/11 Hani Hanjour got the ability to fly a commercial jet packed with passengers, low to the ground?

i"n January 2001, Arizona JetTech flight school managers reported him to the FAA at least five times because his English was inadequate for the commercial pilot’s certificate he had already obtained. It took him five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours, said Peggy Chevrette. Hanjour failed UA English classes with a 0.26 GPA and JETTECH manager said “He could not fly at all"

"you will not provide a name of any instructor who stated Hanjour could not crash the jet into the pentagon which is larger than 24 football fields.

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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, the FBI confirmed not through the AT&T network.

What you are ignoring. That Renee May called in the hijackings.

There were at least 4 unknown cell phone calls from flight 77 that connected.

Barbara Olson talked to operators, a secretary, and Ted Olson.

Your cited information left out many items to create a partial, biased, and false narrative. Classic example why the truth movement has no credibility......


There is no evidence at all Renee May told her Daughter and Parents, the plane got hijacked. Government to this day have not released a recording of her voice. The FBI have only confirmed 3 calls aboard flight 77.. The other 4 calls are unknown number's and can not be verified who made the call and to who.

The information i provided is factual. Calls made to operator and a secretary is all hearsay and after the 9/11 event


Yes there is she even tells her mom to inform the airline.here's a listing of all the calls from the flights.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


This also was believed to be true and we know today it never happened.

The other was passenger Barbara Olson, who called her husband Ted, the US solicitor-general. She told him that the hijackers had box cutters and knives before the first call cut out after a minute, after which Mr Olson contacted the command centre at the Department of Justice.
About five minutes later, his wife called again, reporting that the "pilot" had announced the flight was hijacked and asking her husband "what do I tell the pilot to do?"


Why would i believe anything the government claims and say after the event?



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 07:37 AM
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The Twin Tower covert operation took place on 9/11 not before. The team in the morning arrived in a White van (nothing fancy) and placed the chemically designed bombs near structural cores to melt the steel (inside concrete) The molten steel, core and other properties if tested correctly ( the particles) you get a fingerprint of what caused the collapse. Videos of the molten liquid can be found on Youtube. Unfortunately NIST did not test for this so the official narrative continues to this day!



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Depositions and court testimony admitted into evidence in a court proceeding, is not hearsay.


Then there is this....

"although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office (all family members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from the hijacked flight, and only Renee May’s parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls). The four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34 seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission’s supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004."


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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

And we have provided two of his instructors...including Ms. Chavrette who say that they KNOW Hani could do it. Again, failure to complete the research.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

Depositions and court testimony admitted into evidence in a court proceeding, is not hearsay.


Then there is this....

"although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office (all family members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from the hijacked flight, and only Renee May’s parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls). The four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34 seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission’s supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004."



Believe is not fact. We have the phone records. FBI only confirmed 3 calls that connected to known numbers. You can't spin this.

Barbara Olson did not speak to her husband when the plane got hijacked allegedly . So he's claim are false and fake.

Did she get through to other people on a different line? Well there is no phone record of a conversation! This claim about Barbara speaking to a secretary, is just hearsay, and can not be proven beyond all doubt.
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posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

And we have provided two of his instructors...including Ms. Chavrette who say that they KNOW Hani could do it. Again, failure to complete the research.


Source for this information please, thank you.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

p.29, this thread.



posted on Jul, 12 2017 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Funny.....there are at least four people who state that Barbra did talk to her husband that day. Their testimony about said phone calls and Justice Department phone records match calls known to have originated from Flight 77.....and then there is you...saying they are all lying.







 
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