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What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

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posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?




posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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One, what do you mean by debunked?

Two, you are implying the USA government was the mastermind of 9/11 based on one cited clerical error?

You cannot not even get the jet type for the pentagon right yourself.......

From: www.abovetopsecret.com...


The pilot Hani Hanjour skill level was below standard to fly the 747 at low level


What is your conspiracy, what inside job are you part of? It's obvious because you miss cited information.

Again, the document has a clarical error? That is not proof off anything willful nor nefarious.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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And here is the start of your list....

Cannot state what type of jet hit the pentagon.

Will not answer:

What maneuvers could he not preform?

What instructors by name said Hanjour didn't have the skills to crash into the pentagon?

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


What theory are you exactly trying to champion, and what is your supporting argument?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

One, what do you mean by debunked?

Two, you are implying the USA government was the mastermind of 9/11 based on one cited clerical error?

You cannot not even get the jet type for the pentagon right yourself.......

From: www.abovetopsecret.com...


The pilot Hani Hanjour skill level was below standard to fly the 747 at low level


What is your conspiracy, what inside job are you part of? It's obvious because you miss cited information.

Again, the document has a clarical error? That is not proof off anything willful nor nefarious.


You're the problem. Stop and don't muddy the waters with false info. Barbara Olsen made no cell phone call or onboard phone call to her husband aboard flight 77. FBI reported this at the trail of suspected 20th 9/11 Hijacker.

I have already addressed the engine part at the Pentagon and told you it was the Turbofan ( from a SLAM) You just keeping asking me stuff i already talked about why?
edit on 11-7-2017 by Jacobu12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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You are the one making claims you cannot substantiate? What will happen when I research "Barbara Olsen".......

"a reply to: Jacobu12

And here is the start of your list....

Cannot state what type of jet hit the pentagon.

Will not answer:

What maneuvers could he not preform?

What instructors by name said Hanjour didn't have the skills to crash into the pentagon?

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


What theory are you exactly trying to champion, and what is your supporting argument?
"



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

You are the one making claims you cannot substantiate? What will happen when I research "Barbara Olsen".......

"a reply to: Jacobu12

And here is the start of your list....

Cannot state what type of jet hit the pentagon.

Will not answer:


What maneuvers could he not preform?

What instructors by name said Hanjour didn't have the skills to crash into the pentagon?

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


What theory are you exactly trying to champion, and what is your supporting argument?
"


There is no plane why would i need to address your concerns? The evidence is a SLAM (air to surface missile hit the Pentagon) i told you why that was so hours ago and i told you the turbofan pictured at the Pentagon is from a missile. And the guy passed a test for flying a small plane a few months before 9/11. This does mean he could fly a commercial plane low level ( (near to the ground )across Washington DC..
edit on 11-7-2017 by Jacobu12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12


You're the problem. Stop and don't muddy the waters with false info. Barbara Olsen .....


Do you mean OLSON?
edit on 11-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Fixed quotes

edit on 11-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Try again



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12


You're the problem. Stop and don't muddy the waters with false info. Barbara Olsen .....


Do you mean OLSON?


I'm on Phone like link very busy so i have to type fast. Yes sorry it is Olson.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

You are the one making claims you cannot substantiate? What will happen when I research "Barbara Olsen".......

"a reply to: Jacobu12

And here is the start of your list....

Cannot state what type of jet hit the pentagon.

Will not answer:


What maneuvers could he not preform?

What instructors by name said Hanjour didn't have the skills to crash into the pentagon?

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


What theory are you exactly trying to champion, and what is your supporting argument?
"


There is no plane why would i need to address your concerns? The evidence is a SLAM (air to surface missile hit the Pentagon) i told you why that was so hours ago and i told you the turbofan pictured at the Pentagon is from a missile. And the guy passed a test for flying a small plane a few months before 9/11. This does mean he could fly a commercial plane low level ( (near to the ground )across Washington DC..



Really?

Not mainstream and not pro Offical narrative.

Here are some items from Scientists for 9/11 truth to read and debunk.


Title: Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
October 21, 2016

www.911truth.org...

By:


John D. Wyndham (PhD) studied under two Nobel Prize-winners in physics at the Cavendish Laboratory, Cambridge, U.K. and, in his early career, was a Research Fellow at the California Institute of Technology. He is currently Coordinator of Scientists for 9/11 Truth. His research papers on 9/11 can be found there and on the website Scientific Method 9/11 for which he acts as Moderator. You can contact him at moderator@scimethod911.org.




Conclusion
Despite the clear evidence and its analysis using the scientific method of large plane impact, a substantial portion of the 9/11 truth movement, including accepted leaders and those involved in major organizations, continues to publicly endorse, adhere to, or promulgate talks, writings and films on false Pentagon hypotheses. Some simply offer criticisms and reject or ignore evidence that would bring closure to the argument. There is clear evidence by way of disintegrating truth groups that these endorsements and communications are injurious to the movement. Public feedback shows that the false Pentagon hypotheses undermine public acceptance of other highly credible scientific findings, such as the demolitions of the Twin Towers and Building 7 (WTC7) in New York City.

Most rank and file members of the 9/11 truth movement take their cues on the Pentagon from well-known speakers, writers, and acknowledged leaders of the movement. The quickest way to end the ongoing damage to the movement’s credibility and bring closure would be for these prominent individuals to publicly repudiate their former endorsements, views, and statements on the Pentagon event and acknowledge the scientific method and its conclusion of large plane impact. In the absence of public repudiations, the damage caused by false Pentagon hypotheses is likely to continue indefinitely, even if those who fueled their spread cease to promote them. Consequently, the surest way to end the debate and enhance the credibility of the movement is for each individual to study, without bias or prejudice, the evidence for themselves.

The recent papers by scientists, engineers and others showing large plane impact at the Pentagon have been collected together on a website that invites feedback and discussion. Comments can be sent to the Scientific Method 9/11 website which specifically invites feedback on many of the papers listed below.


Title:The Pentagon Attack: Problems with Theories Alternative to Large Plane Impact
First Published January, 2011. Version 3, April 2016.
By John D. Wyndham (PhD, Physics)
www.scientistsfor911truth.org...


Conclusion
Clearly, the main theory, that a large plane such as a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, is by far the most plausible theory compared with the alternative theories. The main theory still has some unanswered questions, but it is much stronger than any of the alternative theories.

-break-

However, the essence of this paper is that the scientific method proves all alternatives to large plane impact virtually impossible. It is hoped that the 9/11 truth movement will accept these current findings and acknowledge the preeminence of the large plane impact theory at this time.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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Simple statements and question.

Turbojet engines are comprised with different sized compression and expansion stages. Each stage has various rotor discs of various sizes with blade tips that fragment when they hit objects. What the picture shows is the hub of a rotor disc with its blades knocked off from crashing into the pentagon.

So? what stage should the pictured disc be in, what disc of that section should it be, and the pictured disc is the wrong size for any engine because the blades are knocked off.

Sad you use a picture out of context, not knowing what it really should look like, that it is missing its outer diameter, and to push the cons of the truth movement....
edit on 11-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Fixed wording



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



Can you provide a link to the source you cited.

Not finding hardly any thing on the discrepancy.

Was the calls through different towers? Maybe different accounts? Pay services?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



Can you provide a link to the source you cited.

Not finding hardly any thing on the discrepancy.

Was the calls through different towers? Maybe different accounts? Pay services?



coto2.wordpress.com...

Her Husband wa Solicitor General of the United Statess en.wikipedia.org...

He claims to have talked to hes wife for 6 minutes about terrorists and this is where 9/11 terrorists with boxer cutters
information started. If this phone call allegation was fake what else was fabricated?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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If you are referring to the engine disc picture that is the "wrong size". Cite what engine uses a disc with broken and uneven blade lengths, and utilizes blades that short and stubby compared to the hub size?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



Can you provide a link to the source you cited.

Not finding hardly any thing on the discrepancy.

Was the calls through different towers? Maybe different accounts? Pay services?



coto2.wordpress.com...

Her Husband wa Solicitor General of the United Statess en.wikipedia.org...

He claims to have talked to hes wife for 6 minutes about terrorists and this is where 9/11 terrorists with boxer cutters
information started. If this phone call allegation was fake what else was fabricated?


coto2.wordpress.com...


This essay closely examines the raw data from the AT&T telephone records, and confirms the work of Dr. David Ray Griffin,[1] who has argued that Barbara Olson’s one attempted call, which was unconnected and lasted “0” seconds, could not have conveyed the hijacker story to her husband.


Prove they didn't have access to another network that AT&T for making multiple calls.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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If a missle hit the pentagon (or bomb), why was the roof not blown off, how was the entrance hole 70 feet wide, why was the entrance hole shaped like an upside down tee (lots wider than tall), and why was there no visible interior of the pentagon on the front lawn?
edit on 11-7-2017 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



Can you provide a link to the source you cited.

Not finding hardly any thing on the discrepancy.

Was the calls through different towers? Maybe different accounts? Pay services?



coto2.wordpress.com...

Her Husband wa Solicitor General of the United Statess en.wikipedia.org...

He claims to have talked to hes wife for 6 minutes about terrorists and this is where 9/11 terrorists with boxer cutters
information started. If this phone call allegation was fake what else was fabricated?


coto2.wordpress.com...


This essay closely examines the raw data from the AT&T telephone records, and confirms the work of Dr. David Ray Griffin,[1] who has argued that Barbara Olson’s one attempted call, which was unconnected and lasted “0” seconds, could not have conveyed the hijacker story to her husband.


Prove they didn't have access to another network that AT&T for making multiple calls.



I'm too busy to reply to all your messages. This be my last message today.

There is no record of a call and was revealed at a trial of Al Queda member in 2006. There is no debate to be had here. Barbara Olson made no phone call from the Pentagon plane on 9/11.
edit on 11-7-2017 by Jacobu12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you specify what maneuvers the pilots with years of experience couldn't make?


This plane crashing at the Pentagon is debunked. I don't need to even go that far. The manipulation of the public is real.

"Ted Olson reported, according to CNN, that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers,” who had “knives and cardboard cutters.” [1]

Problem and where the inside job got exposed.
A second more serious problem is that the Olson story was contradicted in the FBI’s 2006 report to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. In its report about phone calls from AA 77, the FBI stated that there was one call from Barbara Olson (not two), and that this call was “unconnected,” so that it lasted “0 seconds.” [14] This report thereby contradicted Ted Olson’s report that his wife had made two calls to him, one that lasted “about one minute” and another that lasted “two or three or four minutes.” [15]



Can you provide a link to the source you cited.

Not finding hardly any thing on the discrepancy.

Was the calls through different towers? Maybe different accounts? Pay services?



coto2.wordpress.com...

Her Husband wa Solicitor General of the United Statess en.wikipedia.org...

He claims to have talked to hes wife for 6 minutes about terrorists and this is where 9/11 terrorists with boxer cutters
information started. If this phone call allegation was fake what else was fabricated?


coto2.wordpress.com...


This essay closely examines the raw data from the AT&T telephone records, and confirms the work of Dr. David Ray Griffin,[1] who has argued that Barbara Olson’s one attempted call, which was unconnected and lasted “0” seconds, could not have conveyed the hijacker story to her husband.


Prove they didn't have access to another network that AT&T for making multiple calls.



I'm too busy to reply to all your messages. This be my last message today.

There is no record of a call and was revealed at a trial of Al Queda member in 2006. There is no debate to be had here. Barbara Olson made no phone call from the Pentagon plane on 9/11.


How does one missed documented phone call outlined by a biased paper that only cited one provider have to do with:

Your inability to discredit scores of civilian accounts of a large jet hitting the pentagon, backed by.....

Radar data, backed by...

An inflight pilot that verified radar data as consulted with by air traffic controllers and radioed in the jet impact, backed by....

Fully decoded flight recorder data, backed by.....

The 70 foot wide entrance hole in the pentagon, backed by......

Contact evidence on an antenna, trees, light poles, trailers, and a concrete lip, backed by....

Pentagon security footage, backed up by....

The DNA evidence of flight 77 passengers and crew.

All summed up in works by Scientists for 9/11 Truth showing the only credible cause of damage at the pentagon was a large jet strike.

And your evidence is a broken engine part the wrong diameter for and jet? A picture you use out of context.

You will not provide a name of any instructor who stated Hanjour could not crash the jet into the pentagon which is larger than 24 football fields.

Will not describe / reference the maneuvers he supposedly could not preform.

Will not describe/ reference the maneuvers you claim experience pilot's couldn't make.

While ignoring instructors believed Hanjour could have crashed into the pentagon, his 600 hours logged flight time, private pilot's license, FAA commercial certificate, his simulator training, and rented time in simulators where he could have practiced crashing into the pentagon.

And you will not explain how there was no interior of the pentagon on the front lawn.

I will remind you of things you willfully ignore to answer.....



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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Sigh....more flawed research

You might want to research all the evidence that was presented by the FBI in regards to the phone calls from Barbra Olsen. You are right, her cellphone did not make a successful call. However, SOMEONE on board Flight 77 used a GTE Airfone to complete calls to the Solicitor General (Ted Olsen), who else on Flight 77 would have used the Airfone to call Ted Olsen's office? THEN his secretary also testified that it was Barbara that she spoke to before passing the call to Mr. Olsen.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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Some times you have to eat a little crow, but it doesn't help you either. Why, because you are caught at disingenuous debate and hiding of facts.

Ted Olson's account has been rejected by the FBI, contradicted by American Airlines, and Pentagon Historians.

The FBI introduced the evidence themselves at trial....

Ted Olson’s Report Of Phone Calls From Barbara Olson On 9/11: Three Official Denials
www.globalresearch.ca...



The most serious official contradiction of Ted Olson’s story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker. The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone


So, who in the government is using Ted Oldon's unprovable accounts.

Especially when the FBI submitted the evidence at trial that shows Ted Olson's account cannot be confirmed.

I was wondering why this was hard to find as the "smoking gun" against the official account? Because the government itself showed Olson had unproven claims.

Should the commission report stated a passenger indicated the hijackers had box cutters? It be nice to cross examine Barbara Olson?

And you still have Renee's calls that confirmed the hijacking.
911myths.com...


Renee May calls
Renee May was a flight attendant on Flight 77. On 9/11 she called her mother from the plane to say that 6 hijackers had taken control, and everyone had been moved to the back of the plane. May provided her mother, Nancy May, with three phone numbers and asked her to call American Airlines. After the call ended Nancy May called two numbers, got an answer on the second, and relayed the information to Patty Carson, an American Airlines employee.



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