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What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

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posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

What???

No pop up phasers on Pentagon lawn...?? No photon torpedo launchers on the roof..??

Anti aircraft missiles have been deployed around Pentagon during exercises in years after 9/11

en.wikipedia.org...

Besides you do not normally deploy an anti aircraft system directly on target protecting - usually sited several hundred
to several thousand meters away to intercept attackers away from target

Also Pentagon is in a depression - ie a swamp surrounded by higher ground which would limit effectiveness




posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: firerescue

The only real antiaircraft missile system we had on 9/11 was the Patriot. Those take up a lot of room, and would only have been useful against aircraft. The biggest threat to the Pentagon at the time was an ICBM fired from another nation. If there was one of those heading for the Pentagon, we had a lot more problems than protecting one building.

The Avenger only really works against small aircraft and helicopters. The DHL Airbus that was hit by a missile over Iraq was hit by a Stinger (which is the missile used in Avenger)class missile, and suffered what was ultimately minor damage to the outboard aileron and wing.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: m1kelowry

Instructors claimed Hanjour didn't have the skills-debunked



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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Can you cite a few names.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: m1kelowry

"BERNARD: We believe that even though he didn't necessarily have experience in jets that once the airplane was airborne that he could have easily pointed it in any direction he want to and crashing it into a building or whatever could be a real feasibility - a real possibility." Marcel Bernard, who would not rent a Cessna to Hani Hanjour

www.cnn.com...



"Margaret Chevrette, manager at the flight school, was testifying in the death-penalty trial of Moussaoui, who has confessed to being an al Qaeda terrorist.

It was the second time this week jurors heard witnesses testify that people in positions of authority in the federal government responded either slowly, negatively, or not at all, to warnings about a possible terrorist attack.

Chevrette said that the school's student, Hani Hanjour, lacked adequate English skills to gain his pilot's license. An FAA official responded to her concerns by suggesting that Hanjour could use an interpreter even though mastery of English is a requirement for a pilot.

Chevrette said that when the Sept. 11 attacks occurred, she knew Hanjour must have been involved.

"I remember crying all the way to work knowing our company helped to do this," she said."

www.cbsnews.com...


Funny, people who had dealings with Hanjour, have no problems with him being able to carry out the attack.



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58



The Avenger only really works against small aircraft and helicopters. The DHL Airbus that was hit by a missile over Iraq was hit by a Stinger (which is the missile used in Avenger)class missile, and suffered what was ultimately minor damage to the outboard aileron and wing.


Sam which hit DHL Airbus 300 was a SA-14 . which is similar to Stinger. Missile struck one wing damaging hydraulic system
and causing loss of hydraulic fluid. Also caused fuel leak which caught fire

Biggest problem was loss of hydraulic pressure. Crew had to use engines to steer plane back to Baghdad airport



posted on Jul, 10 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: firerescue

And it was a fairly easy repair that didn't require them doing something drastic like replacing the entire wing.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: samkent

Your ignorance of aviation is astounding. You have no clue about the differences between a Cessna and a Boeing, no clue about the handling characteristics of a transport category aircraft compared to those of a small aircraft.

Your arrogance is as great as your ignorance. A pity they don't have the 'ignore' feature here at ATS. You are a prime candidate.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: Salander

I would be careful about labeling anyone as ignorant. Especially when you ignore the words of Hani Hanjour's flight instructors who ALL say that he was more than capable of flying a 757 into a building.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: samkent

Your ignorance of aviation is astounding. You have no clue about the differences between a Cessna and a Boeing, no clue about the handling characteristics of a transport category aircraft compared to those of a small aircraft.

Your arrogance is as great as your ignorance. A pity they don't have the 'ignore' feature here at ATS. You are a prime candidate.



Another rant to ignore Hanjour's training while directing away from the fact one of Hanjour's instructors said he had the skills to crash a jet into a building larger than 24 football fields, while not even having the credibility to state what the impossible maneuver was.

Can you cite a name from one Hanjour's instructors that said Hanjour didn't have the skills?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: cardinalfan0596

The proof is in the pudding, sir. All we can judge a poster by is the posts he makes here on the internet. With all due respect, SamKent's posts regarding aviation, licenses and skills and certified aircraft, are absolutely ignorant of how things are in real life.

I've been in aviation since 1967, it is my profession. What Sam says reflects vast ignorance on his part about real life aviation issues.

I've read the statements of Hanjour's instructors, many years ago. What you said in you last post is not accurate. They (only 2 as I recall) described him as a poor student and an awful pilot. Your attempt to rewrite history in that regard is fascinating.


(post by GBP/JPY removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Salander

"BERNARD: We believe that even though he didn't necessarily have experience in jets that once the airplane was airborne that he could have easily pointed it in any direction he want to and crashing it into a building or whatever could be a real feasibility - a real possibility." Marcel Bernard, who would not rent a Cessna to Hani Hanjour

www.cnn.com...

Their own words are not accurate about their own beliefs? Got it......

It isn't rewriting, once again, it is you, hand waving at facts.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Salander

Got names of Hanjour's instructors that said he couldn't crash into the pentagon.

What is that impossible maneuver again?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: cardinalfan0596

I've read the statements of Hanjour's instructors, many years ago. What you said in you last post is not accurate. They (only 2 as I recall) described him as a poor student and an awful pilot. Your attempt to rewrite history in that regard is fascinating.



Rewrite the history? The claims were mostly based on his English skills witch is a requirement for an American pilot's license. Funny you are the one ignorant of facts, hiding the whole truth, and being intellectually dishonest. While hiding Hanjour had the ability and training to maneuver a jet to crash into a building larger than 24 football fields. A slow turn, aim, descent, ramp up throttles, contact evidence along the descent, and your bad pilot almost crashed short of the pentagon.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: cardinalfan0596

I've read the statements of Hanjour's instructors, many years ago. What you said in you last post is not accurate. They (only 2 as I recall) described him as a poor student and an awful pilot. Your attempt to rewrite history in that regard is fascinating.



Rewrite the history? The claims were mostly based on his English skills witch is a requirement for an American pilot's license. Funny you are the one ignorant of facts, hiding the whole truth, and being intellectually dishonest. While hiding Hanjour had the ability and training to maneuver a jet to crash into a building larger than 24 football fields. A slow turn, aim, descent, ramp up throttles, contact evidence along the descent, and your bad pilot almost crashed short of the pentagon.


He only got a pass at the last minute and just before 9/11. And the instructor was a former soldier of Israel Defense forces. We will never know if the pass was legit or was the same Hani Hanjour who's English was bad?

Pilot claim they could not pull this maneuver off, why are you accepting the narrative an inexperienced 747 pilot could?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Well first, it was a 757, different aircraft completely. Second, a few pilots say it could not be done, a hell of a lot more say, the only thing about it was, Hani was sloppy in his flying, but that the manuever was not exceptionally difficult. Third, blaming the Joos? Really?



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Grrrr, again and again.

What part of a 200 to 300 knot 300 degree turn with a five mile radius that took over 2 minutes cold he not complete? Then aim the jet at the pentagon, start the descent, then work throttles to full, and almost crash short on a ride anything but smooth?

Just about every instructor is quoted that Hanjour's major problem was English skill as required by American pilots to operate safely.

Again, cite one instructor that said Hanjour did not have the skills to crash into a building larger than 24 football fields.



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

Grrrr, again and again.

What part of a 200 to 300 knot 300 degree turn with a five mile radius that took over 2 minutes cold he not complete? Then aim the jet at the pentagon, start the descent, then work throttles to full, and almost crash short on a ride anything but smooth?

Just about every instructor is quoted that Hanjour's major problem was English skill as required by American pilots to operate safely.

Again, cite one instructor that said Hanjour did not have the skills to crash into a building larger than 24 football fields.



He's inexperienced pilot. He had 5 instructors who said he was terrible. Just before 9/11 one instructor passes him to fly a small plane.

On 9/11 he's flying a commercial jet with no experience at very low attitude. He not travelling low across open land, he travelling low above a city with objects in he's way and passengers in the back screaming and crying. There is no evidence at all this guy had the ability to fly that low. Pilots with years of experience have tried to reenact this attack pattern and could not in a fly simulator. And where is the photograph or video of this pilot at the airport? Why is it all the cameras have a distorted image quality?
edit on 11-7-2017 by Jacobu12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

What maneuvers could he not preform?

What instructors by name said Hanjour didn't have the skills to crash into the pentagon?

Like to cite actual facts and names. Or just use suggestion, innuendo, and an argument totally void of fact.







 
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