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What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

The US Government, does not get phone bills like normal customers do. Once again, we have records of calls made from the Airfone assigned to Flight 77, those have been produced. We have the operators who spoke with the individual placing the calls who asked the operators to connect the calls to the phone number belonging to the Solicitor General's office. We have DoJ employees who knew Barbra who answered those calls and have stated it was Barbra.

And you continue to cling to your ignorance.


Where is the record? The FBI themselves at the Moussaoui trial said- they don't know who the caller was, to who and the number? So you lying when you saying a record was produced?
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

What stinks, is you refusing to accept reality. Because the FBI, once again, attributed four of the "unknown" calls from Flight 77 to Barbra Olson based on the phone records, the operators who connected those calls and then the secretaries/security who answered those calls.


Attributed is not evidence. Nobody is going to believe there was no telephone bill for 4 connected calls that lasted over 3 to 4 minutes, maybe you guys do.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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Just in passing, I find it amusing that Barbara Olson has never appeared on any version of the "Clinton Death List". Despite being the wife of Ted Olson.

You know, Ted Olson who sat on the board of American Spectator, which ran the Arkansas Project, which resulted in the eventual impeachment of President Clinton, and who coached Paula Jones's attorneys in her private lawsuit against Bill.

Or perhaps the idea that the Clintons did 9/11 just to get Mrs Olson bumped off as a warning to Ted is too crazy even for the people who believe that Bill's sign language interpreter was murdered to silence her.
edit on 25-7-2017 by audubon because: typo



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: waypastvne


You and the government have not proved that Airfones were used. As I recall, the guy who called his mom was calling on his own phone.


Ed Felt was the only passenger to make a call from a cellphone. It was a 911 call.


So the story goes. Trouble is, the story is false.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: audubon


911 was a Arkancide job!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Salander
the story is false.


Another Truther proclamation without evidence. How ordinary.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale

Sorry friend, yes or no answers work sometimes, and then sometimes they don't.

Analysis of the FDR shows it to be a forgery, according to Dennis Cimino, and he makes a very persuasive case.

So yes or no on how many feet above the ground AA77 had to be is absurd and impossible, because we are talking about a myth. AA77 did not strike the pentagon.

Trying to split hairs on this issue is an exercise in frustration, because it is a myth and cannot be proved. It is rather an exercise in mental masturbation, because it didn't happen.

The pentagon strike was necessary to end the audit of missing funds, and in that regard it was MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

It's possible, even probable, that some sort of airliner made a low level fly by, but it did not strike the building. That is a "no" answer.




posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: Salander


Dennis Cimino





Has anybody heard anything from Dennis since 2011 when he got caught lying about Airframe/Fleet zeros that weren't there.
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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Might help to post something as a starting point for discussing the validity of the calls. It's not that hard.

Here is some background on the '0' call and why there can be no terminating number.


Because the customer dialed “0”, the typing implied, there was no “Terminating #” (meaning no recipient) except for “0”. The call was then handed off to the AT&T Operator and the “domain” changed to OSPS. This 102-second call, to be billed via the AT&T Operator, was not traceable to a recipient listed on the raw data report, and there was no credit card number showing on it, so the call, as recorded later on the trial exhibit graphic, was deemed to have been made to an “unknown number”.

However, if we look further down the raw data list, at Records 8 and 9, we will see the one call, at 07:18:58 (09:18:58), that was directly attributed to Barbara Olson. Again, the call was placed to “0” for Operator in Record 8,

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More in that write up suggest that other claimed information may not logical which opens the door to questioning the stated information on the calls.

This is one article, there must be more investigation out there, right or wrong.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: waypastvne
a reply to: audubon


911 was a Arkancide job!!!!!!


Yup it all makes perfect sense! And why did the Clintons choose that date to murder Mrs Olson?

It falls into place when you remember what happened to Bill Clinton on September 11th, 1998, which was just four years earlier - the publication of Ken Starr's report that led to his impeachment!

So we have means (remote-controlled holograms filled with nano-termites), motive (revenge and/or silencing a witness, tbc), and opportunity (working on this). And the truly evil thing about it is that in order to kill Barbara Olson, the Clinton criminals killed another 3,000 people at the same time, just for sh1ts and giggles, to distract everyone from their real target.

The naysayers will scoff, but compared to some of the disinformation on the phoney Clinton Death List, this is a cast-iron, copper-bottomed, slam-dunk of an open goal!

(Burps, fires shotgun, falls over heap of empty beer-cans)
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

Um, yes it is, when it backed up by phone records and witness testimony about said phone calls.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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Naw, that's all easily manipulated for the viewing of the public.....reply to: cardinalfan0596


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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12

How does going on about phone records discredit the 100 plus eyewitnesses that give an account of a large jet hitting the pentagon.

If flight 77 flew under 2 feet for 5 to 6 seconds, flight 77 would have knocked over trees and mowed down vegetation.

Your premise why Hanjour had to an ace pilot is false. Course par for the truth movement.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jacobu12

How does going on about phone records discredit the 100 plus eyewitnesses that give an account of a large jet hitting the pentagon.

If flight 77 flew under 2 feet for 5 to 6 seconds, flight 77 would have knocked over trees and mowed down vegetation.

Your premise why Hanjour had to an ace pilot is false. Course par for the truth movement.


I sure i have changed my mind and have sided with you guys a plane crashed at the Pentagon? Have settled with a plane, weapon of choice to attack the Pentagon. I know looking at inconsistencies onboard the plane.

Hani Hanjour did not not need to be an ace pilot, he just had to be a better pilot. One of he's last trips to a flight school is telling. The flight instructor there thought Hani had military type flight training? Where did he learn this and by whom? Information we have about hijackers is limited. They arrived to America speaking no English, they needed handlers to take care of them, feed them, house them and pay for everything. My contention is Hani was a spy who was willing to die for he's country of birth.
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

Um, yes it is, when it backed up by phone records and witness testimony about said phone calls.


Going to have disagree for the 50th time. You keep saying there is a record, where is it? I looked at the evidence and FBI said they did not know who the caller was or who the caller phoned? So how can you then come along as say a record was produced? You got eyewitnesses who are friendly with Ted saying Barbara phoned when the plane got hijacked? How do we confirm this is true when the FBI can even produce evidence for this?



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: Jacobu12
"How do we confirm this is true when the FBI can even produce evidence for this?"

For once, you are right...the FBI produced the records from the calls made from Flight 77. Then, the produced the operators who answered the calls and said they were directed to patch the calls through to the Solicitor General's (Ted Olson). Its called a chain of evidence. Glad to see you are waking up.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12
"How do we confirm this is true when the FBI can even produce evidence for this?"

For once, you are right...the FBI produced the records from the calls made from Flight 77. Then, the produced the operators who answered the calls and said they were directed to patch the calls through to the Solicitor General's (Ted Olson). Its called a chain of evidence. Glad to see you are waking up.


Typo. Do you not understand what an unknown number and unknown caller is ? You even said yourself they only attributed those calls to Barbara Olson!

But 4 unknown calls ( could be dialed) and be unconnected and could be someone else aboard the plane ringing someone?
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
Might help to post something as a starting point for discussing the validity of the calls. It's not that hard.

Here is some background on the '0' call and why there can be no terminating number.


Because the customer dialed “0”, the typing implied, there was no “Terminating #” (meaning no recipient) except for “0”. The call was then handed off to the AT&T Operator and the “domain” changed to OSPS. This 102-second call, to be billed via the AT&T Operator, was not traceable to a recipient listed on the raw data report, and there was no credit card number showing on it, so the call, as recorded later on the trial exhibit graphic, was deemed to have been made to an “unknown number”.

However, if we look further down the raw data list, at Records 8 and 9, we will see the one call, at 07:18:58 (09:18:58), that was directly attributed to Barbara Olson. Again, the call was placed to “0” for Operator in Record 8,

Link


More in that write up suggest that other claimed information may not logical which opens the door to questioning the stated information on the calls.

This is one article, there must be more investigation out there, right or wrong.


Oh sound for this so there was raw data released by AT&T for the 4 unknown calls, i have to look it over and see.



posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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"Records 4 through 7 represent one call that started at 07:15:34 (09:15:34 Eastern Time), and lasted 102 seconds. [18] This call was given special attention, with explanatory comments typed into the record [19] to show that the customer dialed a live AT&T Operator (Operator Services Position Station, or OSPS) and that the “Time is not tracked because OSPS bills.”

coto2.files.wordpress.com...


call that started at 07:15:34 (09:15:34 Eastern Time) Explain to me why it's 9.15am when the event time for the call is listed for 7.16 (website has 7.15 should be 7.16)
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posted on Jul, 25 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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Flight 77 took off at 8.20am , the first unknown call was 9.16am (even though the event time has 7.16 am down) So she made a call about an hour after the flight left the airport. Do we know when exactly the plane got hijacked? Where would the plane be in a hour?
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