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NATO F-16 trying to approach Russian defense minister’s plane over Baltic. Unprecedented!

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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It is going to be a multi-polar world where nations will co-operate according to their interests and strenghts .


It already is; the question is whether the international conventions and institutions will continue to function, or if they will be replaced by general lawlessness. Unfortunately, as the United States withdraws, I see lawlessness ahead.


USA is going back home and I would say that within 20 years there would be no US bases in European soil.


There will be no American bases, but a troop presence will remain so long as Russia's neighbors do not trust it. We'll definitely be bugging out of East Asia soon, however.




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: 23432


Shoigu is also powerfull within Rodina and we don't know whether Shoigu's talk has had Putin's pre-permission or not .


I am intrigued. Are you suggesting that Rodina may not be following Putin's script any more?


Belgium , I friggin blame Belgium .


Agreed. Bloody Belgians.



With Shoigu , Rodina has a better chance to attain better life ; I think Russian people look at Shoigu and see a hero of USSR .

Compare to Putin's KGB background , Shoigu's background is seen as better bet .


Belgium should be given to English .



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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With Shoigu , Rodina has a better chance to attain better life ; I think Russian people look at Shoigu and see a hero of USSR .

Compare to Putin's KGB background , Shoigu's background is seen as better bet .


Excellent point. I'll keep my eye on him.


Belgium should be given to English .


The English don't want them any more than the French do.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: 23432


It is going to be a multi-polar world where nations will co-operate according to their interests and strenghts .


It already is; the question is whether the international conventions and institutions will continue to function, or if they will be replaced by general lawlessness. Unfortunately, as the United States withdraws, I see lawlessness ahead.


USA is going back home and I would say that within 20 years there would be no US bases in European soil.


There will be no American bases, but a troop presence will remain so long as Russia's neighbors do not trust it. We'll definitely be bugging out of East Asia soon, however.


International Conventions and Institutions are going to either re-write their missions or die out .

It's piracy on the high seas for the moment, basicly .

I don't think American boys and girls should die to defend Europeans against Eastern and Southern threats ; there 450 million Europeans that can do the defending imho.

Asia , i.e China is pregnant for sh1tloads of internal strife and discontent ; Chinese generals will push back in Africa & Asia .



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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Scottish will have anything Free
, Belgium should be given to Scotts in that case.


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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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And now they're blowing things out of proportion. There was an interception of a single B-52, twice and then of two B-52s, two B-1s and a KC-135 that were flying together. All of the intercepts were totally professional by the Russian pilots, and they stayed a safe distance from the aircraft at all times. Made for great pictures, and a great video from the B-1 cockpit. All of the aircraft were flying as part of BALTOPS 17 at the time.

There WAS an unsafe interception of an RC-135U the other day, where the Flanker pilot came within 5-10 feet of them, but those dangerous ones are getting fewer and farther apart. This one was actually rather amusing, because the Russian MoD spokesman claimed the unarmed, 707 based RC-135 made an aggressive maneuver towards the fighter.

As for this story, he was flying on the VIP version of a militarized civilian transport. Probably one of their E-4B equivalent. They use an Il-80 for that mission. The Il-80 is based on the civilian Il-86.

As for the question about what the US would do, they would file a protest with the Russian government and bitch about it in the media. Hmm...sounds familiar to what we're seeing here, doesn't it. The F-16 in question was flying a simple identification mission. They had an aircraft coming in from outside their airspace, with a second aircraft in close proximity. He flew close, saw it was a transport with a fighter escort, and left the area once he had identification.
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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And now they're blowing things out of proportion.


Exactly. Why is Russia pushing this "story" so hard? Why now? This is all routine "testing the new guy" stuff.(And kudos for the technical background! :hail


(post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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No, the quote you posted is blowing it out of proportion. The B-52 intercept was routine and safe and no different than we do with their aircraft all the tone.
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: DJW001

No, your Der Spiegel link is blowing it out of proportion. The B-52 intercept was routine and safe and no different than we do with their aircraft all the tone.


Germany is very sensitive to potential military conflict. It has a long standing reputation as a peace loving nation to maintain.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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And Britain should go to the Netherlands. The Scottish will make quite a fortune selling actual fish on premium fries to the baked Longbows, tax haven included.
You guys are fun, consider me entertained! Lovely way to spill some beanz btw, keep em coming!

#MakeMagnaFrisiaGreatAgain
#1stAid4Fish&Chips
#HeluvaTaxHaven



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He flew close, saw it was a transport with a fighter escort, and left the area once he had identification.


I'm constantly close to trolling and I kinda see myself in that F-16. It's pretty close to trolling, innit?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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It can be, depending on how it's handled. Trolling would be the Chinese interception of Constant Phoenix on Top Gun Day, when the Chinese pilot went over the top of them inverted.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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I always apply critical thinking to news reports, and I track down original sources whenever possible. In liberal democracies, the press has always been viewed as a counter balance to the government. This is why the media are free to criticize public officials, and they often break stories that are embarrassing for the government.

In countries like Russia and Iran, the media is controlled by the state. It is safe to assume that any story they publish will, in some way, advance the state's agenda. It is therefore not unreasonable to ask what agenda this story is supporting. At the most superficial level, it seems to be pushing the theme of "NATO aggression," although both sides have clearly been playing chicken for quite some time.

My speculation is that the Kremlin may be trying to show some tension between Russia and the current administration in order to influence public opinion in the United States. But Russia never uses propaganda to advance its policy goals, right?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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That depends on what you consider European. The US will always have bases in Britain.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: 23432

And Britain should go to the Netherlands. The Scottish will make quite a fortune selling actual fish on premium fries to the baked Longbows, tax haven included.
You guys are fun, consider me entertained! Lovely way to spill some beanz btw, keep em coming!

#MakeMagnaFrisiaGreatAgain
#1stAid4Fish&Chips
#HeluvaTaxHaven







I hear the boy is about to pull his finger out of the hole in the dyke's wall .

You know how it goes , right ?

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall ....?

Odin and Atilla ought to rule intermittently ; that's an all round acceptable to those who concerned.




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: 23432

That depends on what you consider European. The US will always have bases in Britain.


For 500 years our foreign policy was anti european , i don't think there is any change .

Special relations between the round table knights and teutonic knights are bonded for eternity for sure but business is business and I like to think Britain can defend itself without overseas help.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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That was friggin insane, imagine the fun everyone had after exchanging middle-finger salutes! Pros at work, I'd love to see some footage from that encounter. Boys in big toys meet angry chicks in big toys.

#YellowSeaPants
#Feminism





posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

The video out of the B-1 a couple weeks ago was downright boring. I'd love to see the Constant Phoenix or Combat Sent video too.

There's a picture I got to see in a ready room on a carrier once that I'd love to see out in the wild, but it won't happen. Nice routine intercept of a Tu-95 near a carrier group, but the F-14 flying off their wing had the RIO in a gorilla mask.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:07 PM
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Nobody on Ceres is conCERNed but we will make black holes great again. Hopefully.

Which brings me to your first point, the EU is filled with holes like the good old Swiss cheese it is. You'd have to be a tad more precise on which finger is going to be pulled exactly. There are at least a few full (invisible) hands at play by now.

Good thing is they've called it "Panama" Papers. Puh...




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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You feel me.



Gotta love ya Radar Apes... that picture alone made my day, lulz.

#TopGunzilla


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