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NATO F-16 trying to approach Russian defense minister’s plane over Baltic. Unprecedented!

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: DJW001

Yep.. They're russians so they must be lying......right?


No, but Russian media do not publish anything without government approval. Why are the Russian government and its trolls pushing this story? I'm not saying it's not true, but why even mention it, much less try to shove it down ATS's throat?






Someone posts a story, and it turns into Russian trolls trying to shove it down ATS's throat?


Dont forget to inhale, exhale, yo.




yes, some people still think it is just a conspiracy non-story that Russian media throws down to domestic consumption, and also to ATS troath using its army of trolls...

I wonder thopse people who think so, because I believe they think so and do not work here for money, do they have nuclear shelters ready, when Trump and the rest will hide underground?




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: 23432

Shoigu is doing the military part in all likelyhood...perhaps no time for next leader in Russia before WW3...yes it is a man whom I honor respectfully, all his career nothing bad said of him



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


When people shoot your planes you probably put more arms in the air yourself.
No. Yes. D'oh!


Are you saying that the SAA plane shot down was really a Russian airforce jet?
No. Yes. D'oh!


It's a nice escalation. They need the bad Russian Bear to poke, NATO is de facto fighting for it's existence. Unprecedented as it is.
No. Yes. D'oh!


Russian planes have been buzzing NATO ships and entering NATO airspace. They need to poke the NATO kraken. Russia is fighting to Make Russia Great Again.

No. Yes. D'oh!
edit on 21-6-2017 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman

Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.

www.rt.com...

Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...


The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?


Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?


That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.


Honestly , when i posted it , Russians were the 4th or 5th likely candidate for this incident.

I think Shoigu is being pressured to act ; those who have the capital in Rodina are applying pressure .

Have you checked Moscow Exchange recently ?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart


yes, some people still think it is just a conspiracy non-story that Russian media throws down to domestic consumption, and also to ATS troath using its army of trolls...


Perhaps it is because it is a complete non-story. I never mentioned domestic consumption, but, yes, that is certainly a part of it.


I wonder thopse people who think so, because I believe they think so and do not work here for money, do they have nuclear shelters ready, when Trump and the rest will hide underground?


What makes you think Vladimir Vladimirovich would start a nuclear war he cannot win? What makes you think the "Deep Government" would let Trump into the shelter?


Am I correct in concluding that this hot story is intended to place distance between Russia and Donald Trump? If so, it has been a pretty dismal failure so far.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: 23432

Shoigu is doing the military part in all likelyhood...perhaps no time for next leader in Russia before WW3...yes it is a man whom I honor respectfully, all his career nothing bad said of him


He is a well respected individual ; perhaps i'll get to meet him some day .

I think he can pick up from Putin and solve many problems Rodina is facing .



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman

Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.

www.rt.com...

Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...


The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?


Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?


That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.


Honestly , when i posted it , Russians were the 4th or 5th likely candidate for this incident.

I think Shoigu is being pressured to act ; those who have the capital in Rodina are applying pressure .

Have you checked Moscow Exchange recently ?


I'm not sure what you are even referring to. Shoigu was on a plane that NATO shadowed. Pretty routine. What are you implying he was up to?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Touché, both military industrial complexes seem to depend on each other.

I was referring to the incident in Syria with Erdogans trigger-happy F-16. Another crooked NATO parner, greetings to the resident Shah of Perversia btw.

Anyway. I really hope they had some fun with trolling. Burn more Kerosine for nothing at all, you fcking morons!
Sorry for the swearing, but this useless show of force pisses me off. A diplomats plane, really? Polish F-16, wasn't it? Can't they simply go back to steal german luxury cars and rims like decent people?




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: tadaman

Yes Soviets did a lot of mistakes.

www.rt.com...

Here is video of the incident from Shoigus plane. Specialists may say what kind of plane.I'm not one of them . NATO f 16 is pretty close even though he was seemingly not posed to shoot...


The NATO jet is not approaching the plane, it is escorting it. The entire incident looks completely routine. Why are the Russian state media and troll army pushing this non-story?


Shoigu will probably become the next Leader in Russia ; you maybe guilty of underestimating the work of intelligence services ?


That is the first time anyone has ever accused me of underestimating the work of Russian intelligence services.


Honestly , when i posted it , Russians were the 4th or 5th likely candidate for this incident.

I think Shoigu is being pressured to act ; those who have the capital in Rodina are applying pressure .

Have you checked Moscow Exchange recently ?


I'm not sure what you are even referring to. Shoigu was on a plane that NATO shadowed. Pretty routine. What are you implying he was up to?


According to info I got , Shoigu has had talks with Russian Capitalist who are not happy with Putin's Leadership .

He is seen as more market oriented Leader then Putin is .

I am saying that the people whom he had talks with are the ones putting pressure on him to make some move within Russian Politics.

We'll see it in few days probably .

It's an operation but who has the power to control a Nato plane ?



One of these Nato pilots recently bombed civilians in Turkey ; he was ordered to do by Fethullah Gulen , apparently.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


I was referring to the incident in Syria with Erdogans trigger-happy F-16. Another crooked NATO parner, greetings to the resident Shah of Perversia btw.


Funny... Erdogan shot down one of Putin's jets and now they're best buddies. Funny old world....



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: 23432

but it means the world is given more time for that. I don't think we have more time. Everything will be decided this Summer and Fall. Notice the years significance 1917-2017.

Sure not because of one plane incident. Shoigu could see himself how friendly the American pilots are, who after all didn't attempt to shoot at him! If he was afraid of flying near...."almost-friendly" planes in neutral waters, he wouldn't be general commander. As I posted pic he was in Syria.

Tensions build up for years, decades. No one will decide for WW3 from Monday to Friday. USA clearly provokes Russia, and that started since Bush scrapped ABM treaty to get strategic advantage over ageing Socviet ICBMs. I don't know if that was the main issue or that was the main visible issue.

However after that Putin started updating the entire nuclear arsenal and submarines. Now Russia has better missiles, both ICBM and cruise.

Politically, USA is doing everything possible to corner Russia in a situation when it will not be possible not to answer. How would USA react if Russia installs interceptors in Cuba? But that is what USA is doing in Poland and Romania and on ships around Russia. The difference from the Cuban missile crisis is, today's missiles are much more advanced, it needs not 15 minutes to answer, as the hair-triggered alert of the Cold War, it needs 120 seconds, as another Russian general said they can answer in that time.

I don't see Shoigu as a head iof state in a world where Russia will take equal place as USA, China, and others. First of all, USA doesn't want to accept such a world, as Putin offered several times a New world order different from the American model.

Unfortunately, that incident following the incident in Syria, comes to show the WW3 is inevitable. May be we have few more weeks...unless a miracle happens.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: 23432


According to info I got , Shoigu has had talks with Russian Capitalist who are not happy with Putin's Leadership .

He is seen as more market oriented Leader then Putin is .

I am saying that the people whom he had talks with are the ones putting pressure on him to make some move within Russian Politics.

We'll see it in few days probably .

It's an operation but who has the power to control a Nato plane ?


If Shoigu is a threat to Putin his plane would have crashed without NATO assistance.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart


Putin offered several times a New world order different from the American model.


And that is the real source of the conflict.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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Even in the german, from nature pro former US and NATO and "the west is the good one" news ,it sounds like an aggressive act of the NATO. And not the only one the last days.

Link, german, translator needed


We all know who uses the NATO, the UN and all that crap for it´s own profits, it´s not Europe, China, Russia, NK...
It´s "the good ones"(that need to bomb the whole world with "democracy", in reality their idiocraccy) from the overseas, that need a war more than ever, to try to not crumble away as the biggest running gag in earths history.
A hopeless attempt, the free world isn´t backing that terrorism of the former allegedly united states anymore, that let´s the world suffer because of the former US´s world dominance and world police dreams!

Even the blind start to see which evil game is played, and by who and what for!

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

I havent taken a position on it. Before I even could get that far, seeing you all gonzo triggered about it turned it into spectator sport.


edit on 21-6-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: 23432

but it means the world is given more time for that. I don't think we have more time. Everything will be decided this Summer and Fall. Notice the years significance 1917-2017.

Sure not because of one plane incident. Shoigu could see himself how friendly the American pilots are, who after all didn't attempt to shoot at him! If he was afraid of flying near...."almost-friendly" planes in neutral waters, he wouldn't be general commander. As I posted pic he was in Syria.

Tensions build up for years, decades. No one will decide for WW3 from Monday to Friday. USA clearly provokes Russia, and that started since Bush scrapped ABM treaty to get strategic advantage over ageing Socviet ICBMs. I don't know if that was the main issue or that was the main visible issue.

However after that Putin started updating the entire nuclear arsenal and submarines. Now Russia has better missiles, both ICBM and cruise.

Politically, USA is doing everything possible to corner Russia in a situation when it will not be possible not to answer. How would USA react if Russia installs interceptors in Cuba? But that is what USA is doing in Poland and Romania and on ships around Russia. The difference from the Cuban missile crisis is, today's missiles are much more advanced, it needs not 15 minutes to answer, as the hair-triggered alert of the Cold War, it needs 120 seconds, as another Russian general said they can answer in that time.

I don't see Shoigu as a head iof state in a world where Russia will take equal place as USA, China, and others. First of all, USA doesn't want to accept such a world, as Putin offered several times a New world order different from the American model.

Unfortunately, that incident following the incident in Syria, comes to show the WW3 is inevitable. May be we have few more weeks...unless a miracle happens.




It is going to be a multi-polar world where nations will co-operate according to their interests and strenghts .

USA is going back home and I would say that within 20 years there would be no US bases in European soil.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: 23432


According to info I got , Shoigu has had talks with Russian Capitalist who are not happy with Putin's Leadership .

He is seen as more market oriented Leader then Putin is .

I am saying that the people whom he had talks with are the ones putting pressure on him to make some move within Russian Politics.

We'll see it in few days probably .

It's an operation but who has the power to control a Nato plane ?


If Shoigu is a threat to Putin his plane would have crashed without NATO assistance.


Shoigu is also powerfull within Rodina and we don't know whether Shoigu's talk has had Putin's pre-permission or not .

Belgium , I friggin blame Belgium .




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter


Dangerous and unacceptable

Once again over the Baltic there are dangerous near approaches between Russian and NATO fighter jets in an effort to display military might. First, the Russian air force intercepted an American B-52 bomber that found itself in the region of the Russian border.

On Monday there was an incident over Sweden in international airspace. A Russian fighter jet came dangerously close to a Swedish surveillance plane. The Swedish government loudly remonstrated with the Russian Ambassador in the media. Swedish Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist indicated that the above was "innacceptable, unprofessional, and dangerous."

Der Spiegel.[Trans. --DJW001]



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: DJW001

I havent taken a position on it. Before I even could get that far, seeing you all gonzo triggered about it turned it into spectator sport.



I didn't ask if you had a position, I asked you if you had posed the questions everyone should ask when presented with a news story. RT is an organ of the Russian government and will present information the Kremlin wants publicized. What is gonzo about analyzing a story that is receiving more attention than it deserves? As the above quote from der Spiegel suggests, these incidents are routine, but are being played up for political reasons.

Do you have anything to contribute to this thread, or do you feel compelled to post ridiculous (and usually spiteful) memes at random? (Never mind, everyone knows the answer to that.)



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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Shoigu is also powerfull within Rodina and we don't know whether Shoigu's talk has had Putin's pre-permission or not .


I am intrigued. Are you suggesting that Rodina may not be following Putin's script any more?


Belgium , I friggin blame Belgium .


Agreed. Bloody Belgians.



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