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Black Monday For The Climatistas

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Woodcarver

Science is not a liberal leftish conspiracy.

I see many of you self described 'right conservatives' do not like the valid science so you all make up an 'alternative' view point that strokes your confirmation bias.

So:
STRIKE ONE: No Hot spot in the troposphere of the tropics as the physics behind the models demands.
STRIKE TWO: Demonstrated lack of skill in the models to forecast atmospheric temperatures
STRIKE THREE: Demonstrated failure to predict the now agreed on existence of the hiatus in atmospheric warming
STRIKE FOUR: Greenland Ice sheet running at near record mass balance which is directly opposite of what was predicted.
STRIKE FIVE: Sea level rise rate generally remains consistent with data recorded in pre-industrial times.
STRIKE SIX: Reports on the impending demise of Arctic Sea Ice have been greatly exaggerated.
STRIKE SEVEN: Increases in severe weather and climatic events have failed to materialize as predicted. IE: there is no permanent drought in Texas or California and in fact for the first time in memory the Palmer drought index map for the US shows no “Extreme” drought anywhere and only the SW corner of ND and the very southern tip of Texas are indicated to have “severe” drought.
STRIKE EIGHT: World wide crop production has continued to increase setting new records for several years running contrary to the claims that “climate change” would cause markedly reduced production.

I’m sure plenty of others to add to the list.




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

I live in Key West. Every fall during a full or new moon during high tide some streets flood. This is true for all of south Florida.

Also when I was a child..early 1990s the average hurricane season had 9-10 named storms in the N. Atlantic basin. Now the average is greater with many storms developing in the 'off season.'

The climate is changing, there is no doubt.

You have a strike out/ power point style way of making you disillusioned point.

I have science and evidence to back my claims that human activity is changing the climate and environment.

You promote an agenda without actually addressing the science and observations.

Do you really believe the spike in CO2 we are observing is caused by something else besides our fossil fuel consumption?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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I live in Key West. Every fall during a full or new moon during high tide some streets flood. This is true for all of south Florida.
And you are linking this to man made climate change how?




Also when I was a child..early 1990s the average hurricane season had 9-10 named storms in the N. Atlantic basin. Now the average is greater with many storms developing in the 'off season.'
Lets see what NOAA has to say about this...

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).
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I have science and evidence to back my claims that human activity is changing the climate and environment.
Haven't seen you posting any actually.




You have a strike out/ power point style way of making you disillusioned point.
Prove my 'disillusioned points' wrong?




You promote an agenda without actually addressing the science and observations.
You haven't shown me any science. Have a look at this, a paper by Dean and Houston showing there is no acceleration in the rate of sea level rise.
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Do you really believe the spike in CO2 we are observing is caused by something else besides our fossil fuel consumption?
Just to clarify…even if all of the atmospheric CO2 increase is manmade, I continue to believe it is more beneficial than harmful.


edit on 21-6-2017 by D8Tee because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

You are the one who is all over climate change topics and claim the consensus is invalid.

On page 1 you offered an alternative theory with no evidence that claimed something else NOT human activity is the cause of the rising CO2 levels.

Louisiana's coast line is disappearing. High tides alone cause flooding in south Florida and the Keys, yet your camp denies this is irreverent, but everytime it snows claim that is proof the global warming theory is B$.

CO2 levels are rising as a result of human activity, Radiative forcing is a valid concept.

There is not much left to debate.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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Louisiana's coast line is disappearing. High tides alone cause flooding in south Florida and the Keys,

Can you cite your source(s) if it is your claim this is due to climate change?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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Alaska's also losing coastline as well.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: CB328
Alaska's also losing coastline as well.

Again, can you provide a citation linking this to man made climate change?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: ZaneDog

Louisiana’s coastline is disappearing. Here’s why it’s so hard to escape.

That's old news, actually. And welcome on board btw, suspicious newbie who cites like a pro and ignores search engines...





posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

As expected your source does not mention climate change as a factor.
Was a noble attempt to link it to climate change, but it can't be done.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: ZaneDog



Since the first aerial photos were taken in 1932, Louisiana has lost roughly 5,000 square kilometers of coastal real estate, and not just to sea level rise. “It’s actually what I would call drowning,” Twilley says. Compacting sediments, oil and gas extraction, and canal dredging, among other factors, are causing Louisiana’s coastline to sink into the sea.

Flooding the Mississippi River Delta

Let me guess, rising sea levels are a matter of ocean change and completely unrelated to the climate?



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: jrod

Deforestation.



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

It says it's not just sea level rise ....

Compacting sediments, oil and gas extraction, and canal dredging, among other factors, are causing Louisiana’s coastline to sink into the sea.

So how is that related to climate change?



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04


So how is that related to climate change?


How does that list eliminate climate change? There can be more than one factor at work, no?



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

It doesn't. It was used as proof of it though, when many other things are listed and they flat out say it is not all due to rising oceans.

It does not disprove climate change, but it was used as proof FOR climate change when it does not prove OR disprove it.

It's actually a lot like climate change .. lot of factors involved, and exactly how much each play into it is hard to say.



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Deforestation plays a very minor. Phytoplankton play a bigger role in scrubbing CO2 from the atmosphere.

The evidence that most of the excess CO2 is a direct result of our fossil fuel addiction is overwhelming.

www.co2.earth...


Global carbon (C) emissions from fossil fuel use were 9.795 gigatonnes (Gt) in 2014 (or 35.9 GtCO2 of carbon dioxide). Fossil fuel emissions were 0.6% above emissions in 2013 and 60% above emissions in 1990 (the reference year in the Kyoto Protocol).



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posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: jrod

I actually meant to include them in my simplistic answer.


Phytoplankton Population Drops 40 Percent Since 1950

www.scientificamerican.com...



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Coincidentally, the sea levels are rising and said "drowning" started a few decades after the industrial revolution (1936). Right? Right? ... Right?

Kinda jumps into your face now, doesn't it?



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Very well. The info i've seen suggests the loss of CO2 sinks is responsiblefot less than 10% of the excess CO2. Close to 90% of the excess CO2 is from fossil fuels.



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

No because the source you listed said it was the land is sinking not just the water rising. It's your source.



posted on Jun, 22 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

And what do you think is the reason for rising sea levels?



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