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Otto Warmbier Should Have Been Brought Home That Same Day

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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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If you haven't heard, Otto Warmbier, the 22 year-old American college student who was for all intents and purposes held captive by Kim Jong Unholy-clown, has died. His death has prompted many of us to decry Kimmy and friends as the murderers they are.

President Trump, on the other hand, took an opportunity in front of the media he loves to hate, to blame his predecessor for Otto Warmbier's death. Seated next to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, the classless and habitually dishonest blowhard said the following:


I think Otto -- it's a disgrace what happened to Otto. It's a total disgrace what happened to Otto. That should never, ever be allowed to happen. And frankly, if he were brought home sooner, I think the result would have been a lot different. He should have been brought home that same day. The result would have been a lot different.

But what happened to Otto is a disgrace. And I spoke with his family. His family is incredible, what they've gone through. But he should have been brought home a long time ago.

Thank you all very much. I appreciate it.


I'll give credit where it's due, as I remarked in a related thread, it does sound as though folks within the Trump administration did work hard to get Otto Warmbrier released. I also am aware that his family is understandably grateful to the administration and President Trump and that they have expressed, at least on one occassion, what appears to be their feeling that not enough was done by the previous administration.

That said, let's not fool ourselves here. Otto Warmbier was released because of his condition. Once the Swedish diplomats visited US prisoners in NK, discovered Warmbier's condition and revealed it to the US, it ws only a matter of time. NK had no desire for Warmbier to die in their custody. Had he been healthy, he would have been a useful pawn to the pint-sized despot.

Under the Obama administration, ten Americans were brought home and aside from Warmbier, only Kim Dong Chul, detained since October 15th, 2016, remained when Obama left office.

As he's pointing fingers and yammering boldy, President Trump seems to have forgotten Mr. Chul and two other Americans currently held by North Korea — detained months after he took office — who weren't "brought home the same day."

Professor Kim Sang-duk has been detained by North Korea since April 21st and another university professor, Kim Hak-Song, since May 7th.
edit on 2017-6-20 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

wow.

You've sunk to an all new low that I didn't think even you were capable of.

Don't let a good tragedy go to waste, eh?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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Of course Trump is going to blow his own horn and take credit..I don't think for even 1 second they released him due to Trump, they released him because they vegatised him and didn't want to deal with it after it had been uncovered.
If Trump is such a hero why are the remaining healthy Americans still in NK custody?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

You can say what you will, I saw Otto's dad's press conference, and it was obvious he was seething about Obamas admin not doing anything.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: TerminalVelocity

That would be your president you are referring too.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: TerminalVelocity


Don't let a good tragedy go to waste, eh?


Looks like he was beaten to the punch by Trump actually.

Why wasn't he brought home on Trump's first day?



What's that you say?..

You don't have an answer to that?
Colour me surprised.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Yeah, that's it. Hold me to a standard far far far higher than you do the President of the United States. Spare me the predictable sanctimonious bulls# please.




posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

Exactly.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Yah, I will.

Sorry, but all your political threads show the truth:

You're a bottom feeder.

You do this with ever tragedy you can get your hands on and try to make political points over it.

Yellow journalism at it's finest.

Well, at least you put it in the right forum....where all other muckrakers belong.....



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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"Much much sooner."
He says 6 months after taking office...



It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

In any case it is very sad.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I understand that and I understand that is by all accounts, his honest opinion. I have nothing but sympathy for Otto Warmbier's family and friends.

Mr. Warmbier is entitled to say and believe anything he wants and I wouldn't dream of slighting him in any way.

Are you willing to say that the Obama administration wasn't really trying to get Warmbier back based on the perception of a grieving father? What about the ten Americans that did come home? None of those can be attributed to the efforts of the Obama administration? They all just got lucky that North Korea lost interest?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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You make a fair point. 'S*** or get off the pot' and that. I'm indifferent on the whole trump thing, and usually am annoyed by your painfully obvious bias (same with those that say he can do no wrong) but i must agree with you here. This really does make him look foolish.

If he is saying stuff like this, there best be a spec ops squad en-route to the detention center in NK to free the remaining prisoners. Otherwise he's going to look quite foolish...



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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The big story here is that while Americans are being kidnapped and tortured death by foreign governments we have lost our will as a citizenry to stand up and demand our worthless leaders to take action. We have become to comfortable in our luxury apartments to be willing to make the sacrifices necessary to stand up for our citizens around the world.

This will only result in more kidnappings and tortures leading to death.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: seaswine

What did you expect the administration to do stand up and give us a power point on their plan of action?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: theantediluvian

You can say what you will, I saw Otto's dad's press conference, and it was obvious he was seething about Obamas admin not doing anything.


And what should Obama have done?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

With all of your genius can you walk us through a step by step plan of what should have been done to change the situation?

Oh right, you have no idea.

Guess we should have leveraged financial sanctions on China right?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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Dear Atlantean,

Do less...

Sincerely,
Everyone



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler

I understand that and I understand that is by all accounts, his honest opinion. I have nothing but sympathy for Otto Warmbier's family and friends.

Mr. Warmbier is entitled to say and believe anything he wants and I wouldn't dream of slighting him in any way.

Are you willing to say that the Obama administration wasn't really trying to get Warmbier back based on the perception of a grieving father? What about the ten Americans that did come home? None of those can be attributed to the efforts of the Obama administration? They all just got lucky that North Korea lost interest?


It deosn't matter what I think.

The fact is Obama admin told Ottos family to stay quiet and they would take care of it. The fact is Ottos dad said they barely talked to him, and didn't seem to do much. The fact is he said the Trump people encouraged him to speak, and kept in contact with him, and he feels they did everything they could to get his kid back.

I know he was grieving and that could alter his perception, but do you have any reason to doubt his claims?

Enough of a reason to criticize Trump like you are in this thread?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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Trump the victor again, Obama comes out of it with America hater plastered all over him yet again.




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