a reply to: Disturbinatti
You know, the problem with Jesus is he likes to talk indirectly ( metaphorically ). His own 12 disciples sometimes don't understand what he is talking
about. There is one instance where he turn away many people because he was literally talking about cannabalism. Many people asked him many times but
he keep rambling about eating his flesh and drinking his blood without explaining what he meant by that. I'm having a big headache trying to
understand what Jesus said in the entire Gospel of John. LOL.
16 “In a little while, you will see me no more; then, a little while later, you will see me.” 17 At this, some of the talmidim said to one
another, “What is this that he’s telling us, ‘In a little while, you won’t see me; then, a little while later, you will see me’? and, ‘I
am going to the Father’?” 18 They went on saying, “What is this ‘little while’? We don’t understand what he’s talking about.”
Jesus explain why,
25 “I have said these things to you with the help of illustrations; however, a time is coming when I will no longer speak indirectly but will talk
about the Father in plain language. 26 When that day comes, you will ask in my name. I am not telling you that I will pray to the Father on your
behalf, 27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
The biggest problem tho is trying to understand what is Jesus meant by, "Son of God." It is important because "Son of God" refer to one of three
consubstantial persons in one essense or nature according to the trinity.
According to John, "12 But to as many as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children
of God, 13 not because of bloodline, physical impulse or human intention, but because of God."
So, Son of God can refer to chidren of God which imply anyone can become Son of God who receive and trust God. This is later confirmed by Jesus,"16
Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” 17 “Stop holding onto me,” Yeshua said to her,
“because I haven’t yet gone back to the Father. But go to my brothers, and tell them that I am going back to my Father and your Father
my God and your God
John continues, "15 He made a whip from cords and drove them all out of the Temple grounds, the sheep and cattle as well. He knocked over the
money-changers’ tables, scattering their coins; 16 and to the pigeon-sellers he said, “Get these things out of here! How dare you turn my
Father’s house into a market?” 17 (His talmidim later recalled that the Tanakh says, “Zeal for your house will devour me.” ) 18 So the Judeans
confronted him by asking him, “What miraculous sign can you show us to prove you have the right to do all this?”"
Jesus said, "My Father's house.." None of the Judeans question him who was his father, instead, they ask what is your right..? So this imply "My
Father" is common address to God as common as any christians today addressing God as "Father".
So based on this, I would assume "Son of God" is synonyms to addressing one of devout to teaching God or a Rabbi ( Teacher ). This can be seen
throughout the Gospel of John, many people addressing Jesus as "Son of God", as a Rabbi, or sometimes a messiah, instead of literally think him as Son
of God in actuality.
The biggest problem and confusing part come later. Not only Jesus claim himself "Son of God" in actuality ( which redeem him death warrant ) but He is
the God. Pilate confronted Jesus,
36 Yeshua answered, “My kingship does not derive its authority from this world’s order of things. If it did, my men would have fought to
keep me from being arrested by the Judeans. But my kingship does not come from here.” 37 “So then,” Pilate said to him, “You are a
king, after all.” Yeshua answered, “You say I am a king. The reason I have been born, the reason I have come into the world, is to bear witness to
the truth. Every one who belongs to the truth listens to me.” 38 Pilate asked him, “What is truth?”
Jesus mentioned his Kingdom in Heaven. Now that a serious claim. But there are other more. His apostles worship Jesus, not as Messiah, but as a God.
They said,"My Lord, My God"
It's difficult to understand what is Jesus actually trying to say beside his sacrification. He made a lot of contradicting statement about his own
status. Sometime he claim himself just an ordinary son of man bath in angel's light. Sometime he claim, 15 “I am the real vine, and my Father is the
gardener". Sometime he says, "3 And eternal life is this: to know you, the one true God, and him whom you sent, Yeshua the Messiah
But that's not all.
24 Someone who doesn’t love me doesn’t keep my words — and the word you are hearing is not my own but that of the Father who sent me.
44 Yeshua declared publicly, “Those who put their trust in me are trusting not merely in me, but in the One who sent me. 45 Also those who see me
see the One who sent me.
See.. He likes to talk in circular manner. I'm having very hard time trying to understand this circular statement. Jesus said, "Father who sent
me.Those who see me see One who sent me". I take it as, father send him but he is also the one who send himself.
Other time Jesus said, "19 I’m telling you now, before it happens; so that when it does happen, you may believe that I AM"
He said that NOT ONCE, but few times exactly the same "I AM" in contexts when that "I AM" is suppose to be God. It's really puzzling.
I dont know what to make out of this. Make what you will. I can only certain, Jesus is not the teacher we tought he was. He was a lousy teacher with
circular talking. He was born a lamb of God spesifically for sacrification. His sole purpose is salvation. But there will other who teach us
25 “I have told you these things while I am still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will
teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.
But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I don’t go away, the comforting Counselor will not come to you.
However, if I do go, I will send him to you.
8 “When he comes, he will show that the world is wrong about sin, about righteousness and about judgment — 9 about sin, in that people don’t put
their trust in me; 10 about righteousness, in that I am going to the Father and you will no longer see me; 11 about judgment, in that the ruler of
this world has been judged.
12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into
all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the
future. 14 He will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and announce it to you. 15 Everything the Father has is mine; this is why
I said that he receives from what is mine and will announce it to you.
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