Hold on a minute - Were conservatives right, about gay rights?

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
Every single person and/or entity (since corporations are people now) always push for and want more. More gun rights, more gay rights. More civil liberties, more tax breaks. More this. More that.

Congress makes budget cuts, immediately the outcry is "nothing was cut deep enough!"

Gay, straight, white, black, child, adult, male, female, liberal, conservative. Does not matter. Everyone has always wanted more from the first breath.

Everyone deserves more, everyone deserves equal legal rights.

Im just talking about equal rights tho, we all have different opinions on government budgeting/cuts.

Its usually the intelligent people that are passionate about their legal rights. I understand completely if it flies right over someones head.

a reply to: veracity

There's nothing paranoid about my statement. It has been meted out through history, you should look into it sometime.

Jaden

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Sublimecraft

so this has nothing to do with being gay? or muslim? or christian?

You are talking about respect?

yes, i agree that everyone should respect others as much as they can. However, you cant hold a cross up and if you see 2 guys kissing under it yell out ......"YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL TO ME AND MY RELIGION AND THAT IS WHY I HATE FAGGOTS".

See what Im saying?

that would be YOU being a disrespectful miserable biggot...see what im saying?

Not that YOU are doing this, just ...IF

Yes, I understand you are not saying 'me' specifically and I also acknowledge that there are folks who have not understood and/or misinterpreted their respective scriptural texts incorrectly and consequently project their flawed logic onto others, but then again, I'm not one to blindly believe what some Christian preacher or campus libtarded Professor says is fact - I'll check that sh!t myself and treat everyone on a one-on-one basis.

However, just simply being gay is NOT disrespectful to anyone. This I hope you understand.

and actually, im pretty sure more people misinterpret the bible than not.

I just said to you

Everyone I meet, every country I visit, I afford the maximum respect I can muster to everyone and their traditions and customs. For instance, I don't know a person is gay (or a genuine peace-loving Muslim or into midget-porn) until they share that, not that that is anything because I have nothing against gays (or genuine peace-loving Muslims or folks into midget-porn) at all because there is nothing wrong with that - at all.

and yes, you agree with me that most folks misinterpret the Bible and Koran - grossly so too.

So, once more for good measure, because you are clearly not reading my posts, or you are but you are not comprehending the contents therein - I have no problem with anyone from the LGBT community or the lifestyle they wish to live.

Do you understand what I just wrote or are you going to again say something about gay etc etc?

Do you understand that bit I have just bolded?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Depends on how you interpret it.

That the US has singed but not ratified - tells me it's there.

peace

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Why are you being so mean to me.

Im glad we are on the same page...maybe...i dunno, seems like you have some beef with me still.

sorry

originally posted by: silo13
Depends on how you interpret it.

When someone says a 'law is on the books' I take it to mean it is a legal statute, which it obviously is not in this case.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Why are you being so mean to me.

Im glad we are on the same page...maybe...i dunno, seems like you have some beef with me still.

sorry

I don't have a beef with you and I'm sorry if I came across as mean - that is not my intention at all. and yes, we do appear to be on the same page - sometimes it's difficult to gauge online posts as I got the impression you thought I was somehow anti-LGBT.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I dont think you are anti...but I know there are people on this board that are and I was sort of using your posts as an example to get my thoughts out but sorry if you sorta felt the brunt...i get why you thought what you did now.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Good to know - I'll make sure and correct my speach in the future. I thought if something was signed it was in waiting to become law.

peace

originally posted by: silo13
Good to know - I'll make sure and correct my speach in the future. I thought if something was signed it was in waiting to become law.

Laws in the United States only become law if the Congress passes them and they are subsequently signed by the President. Even then they can be struck down by the Supreme Court if they are found to be un-Constitutional.

After gay marriage, I don't think there are any significant laws that treat people differently.

It seems anti-discrimination laws are what are being fought for now. That's 100% totally different.

It's not the State's place to coerce people into acting any certain way.

The State can give the right to marry, the right to vote, the right to speak and look how you want. But there is no right to not be judged by other people.

The State and public utilities can be barred from discrimination. People can't. People judge others for everything and anything.

Businesses shouldn't discriminate, but as long as the owner is running things, it's their choice to hurt themselves along with others.

a reply to: AutonomousMeatPuppet

you can do some serious suing if you feel you are discriminated against so i wouldnt say that discrimination is ok or even legal.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
I'm pro-gay marriage, for the record. Have been for many years.

I do have a very, very conservative family, though, and one of their arguments was always " They will always push for more "

Many on the Left always insisted that's all they wanted... That no agenda was at play, that the end-goal was in sight and that they would quietly fade into silence if they felt gays were treated equally...Yet...that's not the case at all.

The acronyms have multiplied more and more over the years, and the things we "have" to support have become more and more ridiculous. Violence, vandalism, and many crimes have been committed by those "peaceful" people that simply think the world could be a better place if their ideologies would just manifest. We see how insane things have become...

So my question is, were the conservatives correct?

What have they really wanted aside from being treated equally? If you really think people treat homosexuals equally now and that they are just being greedy, then you are vastly mistaken. Churches and big religious organizations still preach out against them, and they are still discriminated against by businesses and people all over the place. Violence is wrong, but you do you really see the violence committed by homosexuals outweighing the violence committed against them?? I certainly don't.

BTW the conservative/religious claim was the slippery slope fallacy, that if we let homosexuals get married it will lead to legalization of marrying children or animals. Illogical nonsense like that perpetuated by many in this thread based on 100% irrational fear. They didn't say that homosexuals would "want more". People need to seriously stop illogically comparing it to pedophilia and bestiality. They aren't even remotely close.

originally posted by: xSEEKxNxSTRIKEx
Idc about lgbt queer confused people, the worgld is rough on everyone at different angles. Everybody has their walk. Im not out to get them but at the same time i can care less about they're sensitivity. I just ignore them. Like a baby, let em cry and get it out of their system. By nature were not sea horses, we are born male or female, you can not change your genetic make up. If you wanna cross dress, do it on your own time, i dont care to see a man dress like a girl or a chick dress like Eminem.

Easy to say that when you aren't one of those people who are constantly discriminated against by others. Gender identity and biological sex are 2 different things. Besides, who made the law that women have to wear dresses and men have to wear pants? That's fashion. If a man feels comfortable in a dress, he feels comfortable in a dress. That doesn't mean he's homosexual or confused about anything. Scottish men wear skirts. People just try to act like authorities on this and tell people how to think. Boys have to like blue, girls have to like pink, etc etc, etc. They are BS social constructs that are conditioned into us as children. They don't really mean anything if you actually think about it on a deeper level. We just call it "normal".

I don't care what you do behind close doors or what your legal status is, but don't try messing with elementary school kids minds. Hence why my kid goes to private school. These liberal schools have gotten out of control. It's become less about teaching and more about indoctrination!

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: xSEEKxNxSTRIKEx
Idc about lgbt queer confused people, the worgld is rough on everyone at different angles. Everybody has their walk. Im not out to get them but at the same time i can care less about they're sensitivity. I just ignore them. Like a baby, let em cry and get it out of their system. By nature were not sea horses, we are born male or female, you can not change your genetic make up. If you wanna cross dress, do it on your own time, i dont care to see a man dress like a girl or a chick dress like Eminem.

Easy to say that when you aren't one of those people who are constantly discriminated against by others. Gender identity and biological sex are 2 different things. Besides, who made the law that women have to wear dresses and men have to wear pants? That's fashion. If a man feels comfortable in a dress, he feels comfortable in a dress. That doesn't mean he's homosexual or confused about anything. Scottish men wear skirts. People just try to act like authorities on this and tell people how to think. Boys have to like blue, girls have to like pink, etc etc, etc. They are BS social constructs that are conditioned into us as children. They don't really mean anything if you actually think about it on a deeper level. We just call it "normal".

No problem with you wearing a dress or whatever, but when you can go into a bathroom that my little girl is using then I have a big problem with that

I remember when there was the big push for gay marriage some people said "where will this end? Will we have to bend over backwards to accomodate transgendered people next?" and everyone was like "baaaaaaaah, shut up, you're fearmongering, that won't happen hahaha dumbass".

Now, if you are on twitter, reddit, etc, something that is starting to creep up is pedo's rights. Some people say what the # are we gonna have to normalize this next? And everyone just laughs them off like noooo, that would never happen.

Yeah I know, just dismiss it. Who is gonna remember this post in 10 or 15 years?

a reply to: face23785

No, what the homophobes said was if we let gays marry each other then people will be marrying dogs and cats and toaster ovens. Didn't happen.

There is a HUGE difference between gay/trans people and pedophiles. Consensual adults verses victimizing children. HUGE difference.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: face23785

No, what the homophobes said was if we let gays marry each other then people will be marrying dogs and cats and toaster ovens. Didn't happen.

There is a HUGE difference between gay/trans people and pedophiles. Consensual adults verses victimizing children. HUGE difference.

Oh ok I must have imagined the conversations I heard that weren't about dogs and cats.

Fyi not everyone's life experience is the same as yours.

originally posted by: Ares2493

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: xSEEKxNxSTRIKEx
Idc about lgbt queer confused people, the worgld is rough on everyone at different angles. Everybody has their walk. Im not out to get them but at the same time i can care less about they're sensitivity. I just ignore them. Like a baby, let em cry and get it out of their system. By nature were not sea horses, we are born male or female, you can not change your genetic make up. If you wanna cross dress, do it on your own time, i dont care to see a man dress like a girl or a chick dress like Eminem.

Easy to say that when you aren't one of those people who are constantly discriminated against by others. Gender identity and biological sex are 2 different things. Besides, who made the law that women have to wear dresses and men have to wear pants? That's fashion. If a man feels comfortable in a dress, he feels comfortable in a dress. That doesn't mean he's homosexual or confused about anything. Scottish men wear skirts. People just try to act like authorities on this and tell people how to think. Boys have to like blue, girls have to like pink, etc etc, etc. They are BS social constructs that are conditioned into us as children. They don't really mean anything if you actually think about it on a deeper level. We just call it "normal".

No problem with you wearing a dress or whatever, but when you can go into a bathroom that my little girl is using then I have a big problem with that

Would you rather have a trans male with big muscles and beard, plaid shirt, carhart brown pants use your little girls bathroom?

Or a trans female, small petit, feminine wearing a dress use your little girls bathroom.

My guess is the girl.

I am guessing you are afraid that men perves will dress up as females to try and steal a peek at your little girl...that is a different issue and I agree with you, i wouldnt want that either, but dont hate on trans people bc you cant distinguish 2 different issues and you would rather just eat what a religious nut politicans feeds you than figure it out for yourself, not that you are doing this, just want to point out to you its 2 different issues.