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Hold on a minute - Were conservatives right, about gay rights?

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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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Idc about lgbt queer confused people, the worgld is rough on everyone at different angles. Everybody has their walk. Im not out to get them but at the same time i can care less about they're sensitivity. I just ignore them. Like a baby, let em cry and get it out of their system. By nature were not sea horses, we are born male or female, you can not change your genetic make up. If you wanna cross dress, do it on your own time, i dont care to see a man dress like a girl or a chick dress like Eminem.




posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: Cygnis


I mean, where would you like the line drawn? Are you going to protest me carrying my rightfully-married ar-15 spouse with me when I go out to dinner?

I'll scream bigot, and racist if you do.


This post needs a multiple star option. You'd get like 3 thousand from me.

And yes, they'll just want more and more and more and more...........

peace



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: silo13

A chick you say? well pleased to meet you


You too. And I have a boxer.


Maybe I should try to marry her and give her equal rights. How could I even think of denying my dog the right to profess her love for me by offering herself in marriage.

Coming to a town near you - soon.

/sarcasm



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: deadlyhope

It's about respect.

I will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, have any respect for any individual or groups of individuals that do not show respect for my values and traditions.

Human instinct 101.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, because people don't respect your values which demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise them, you can't respect them.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, you have projected an automatic assumption about exactly what constitutes my values without knowing anything about my values?

So, with that observation out the way - let's begin: What and/or who is it that I "demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise"?

If I detect any presumptuousness about what you assume are my values in your response, you ain't gonna like my reply - just stick to the cold hard facts.
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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

they are usually never right about ...anything...but what is the "more" you speak of?

Gays, trans...they all should get every single right that the lilly white straight American gets.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: silo13

originally posted by: darepairman
a reply to: silo13

A chick you say? well pleased to meet you


You too. And I have a boxer.


Maybe I should try to marry her and give her equal rights. How could I even think of denying my dog the right to profess her love for me by offering herself in marriage.

Coming to a town near you - soon.

/sarcasm


Good luck getting a wedding cake made for THAT.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: deadlyhope

It's about respect.

I will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, have any respect for any individual or groups of individuals that do not show respect for my values and traditions.

Human instinct 101.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, because people don't respect your values which demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise them, you can't respect them.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, you have projected an automatic assumption about exactly what constitutes my values without knowing anything about my values?

So, with that observation out the way - let's begin: What and/or who is it that I "demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise"?

If I detect any presumptuousness about what you assume are my values in your response, you ain't gonna like my reply - just stick to the cold hard facts.


if you cannot respect a human being just bc they are gay and you believe they are trampling all over your supposed interpretation of the bible which you call your beliefs but really you are just hiding your hate behind the bible...then tis you in the mud, slinging sh*t around, being a bigot and do not realize it.

im not saying you are this person, im saying "IF"...
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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:43 AM
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Here is the word salad these SJW's wave created.

LGBTQQIAAP
L - lesbian: a woman who is attracted to other women
G - gay: a man who is attracted to other men or broadly people who identify as homosexual
B - bisexual: a person who is attracted to both men and women
T - transgender: a person whose gender identity is different from the sex the doctor put down on their birth certificate
Q - queer: originally used as a hate term, some people want to reclaim the word, while others find it offensive. It can be a political statement, suggest that someone doesn't want to identify with "binaries" (e.g. male v female, homosexual v straight) or that they don't want to label themselves only by their sexual activity
Q - questioning: a person who is still exploring their sexuality or gender identity
I - intersex: a person whose body is not definitively male or female. This may be because they have chromosomes which are not XX or XY or because their genitals or reproductive organs are not considered "standard"
A - allies: a person who identifies as straight but supports people in the LGBTQQIAAP community
A - asexual: a person who is not attracted in a sexual way to people of any gender
P - pansexual: a person whose sexual attraction is not based on gender and may themselves be fluid when it comes to gender or sexual identity

FFS people!
By including "Allies" in their stupid acronym they have essentially encapsulated 95% of the west.
It would be far easier to just list the ones against their movement.
You only need one word.
ISLAM
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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: silo13
Now there's laws on the books to lower the age of consensual sex...


Links?

(I asked you this back on page 2)

And I thought I made it clear I wasn't going to put a lot into this thread.

I vented and that was that.

But, that’s not the way the old ATS ran so I’ll find you a link.

The UN comes to mind right off.


So then why do we continue to deny that children under a certain age have the ability or the right to unilaterally partake in society’s activities in so many ways, to get a job, to decide when to legally engage in sexual activity, to decide to be married and have children of their own, to buy and sell property and contract for services, to decide how to spend time with their parents after a divorce, to decide where they want to go to school and if they want to continue attending school at all, to attend religious services or not, to acquire birth control or have an abortion, to live in a home other than their parents, and so many other choices?
source

The article States the US has signed but not ratified the UNCRC (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child) to lower the age of consent.

peace



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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Conservatives AND gay rights in the SAME sentence?

Some things DONT mix.

Conservatives are champions of rights...for themselves.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: silo13

The article States the US has signed but not ratified the UNCRC (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child) to lower the age of consent.


So then there is no 'law on the books' then, is there?



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: deadlyhope

It's about respect.

I will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER, have any respect for any individual or groups of individuals that do not show respect for my values and traditions.

Human instinct 101.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, because people don't respect your values which demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise them, you can't respect them.


Uh, so to clarify what you're saying here, you have projected an automatic assumption about exactly what constitutes my values without knowing anything about my values?

So, with that observation out the way - let's begin: What and/or who is it that I "demonize, dehumanize, and disenfranchise"?

If I detect any presumptuousness about what you assume are my values in your response, you ain't gonna like my reply - just stick to the cold hard facts.


if you cannot respect a human being just bc they are gay and you believe they are trampling all over your supposed interpretation of the bible which you call your beliefs but really you are just hiding your hate behind the bible...then tis you in the mud, slinging sh*t around, being a bigot and do not realize it.

im not saying you are this person, im saying "IF"...


Everyone I meet, every country I visit, I afford the maximum respect I can muster to everyone and their traditions and customs. For instance, I don't know a person is gay (or a genuine peace-loving Muslim or into midget-porn) until they share that, not that that is anything because I have nothing against gays (or genuine peace-loving Muslims or folks into midget-porn) at all because there is nothing wrong with that - at all.

So, in my world, I show respect to everyone and that respect is either 100% or extremely evident as non-existent - and the only way it's non-existent is through the actions of the person I am showing NO respect to - because they did not afford to me what I afforded to them FIRST by virtue of my ethos of giving everyone a fair-go.

Now - when outsiders come into my world and decide that because their propaganda says that certain differing opinions deserve ridicule and/or death, these same outsiders presumptuously decide that the best thing to do is abuse the respect I first (FIRST) afforded them by ridiculing and disrespecting my pre-existing values and traditions - my values and traditions (of which no-one on ATS would be able to articulate correctly).

Do I make myself clear? I start nothing, but I'll sure as # finish it if that's the path one wants to take. So, if I respect everyone from the outset and only take that respect away when someone disrespects me, then I am not the problem - they are.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

so this has nothing to do with being gay? or muslim? or christian?

You are talking about respect?

yes, i agree that everyone should respect others as much as they can. However, you cant hold a cross up and if you see 2 guys kissing under it yell out ......"YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL TO ME AND MY RELIGION AND THAT IS WHY I HATE FAGGOTS".

See what Im saying?

bc that is NOT what the cross resembles, that is NOT was Jesus intended...to be rude to gays, etc. That is just your interpretation of the bible...meaning...basically...if you throw the bible up around gays that you are wrong...you shouldnt judge gays.

that would be YOU being a disrespectful miserable biggot...see what im saying?

Not that YOU are doing this, just ...IF
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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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Maybe I am old fashioned... how about we respect each other because we are human... and that should be enough.

You do not throw your personal life in my face, I will not throw mine in your face... and we can just get on with our lives.

I find it sadly ironic so many people are demanding recognition of their differences (please note this can be applied to conservatives as well as liberals in this area)... yet insist their team is for Unity.

I was raised to approach people and find what we have in common and build a relationship on that, because that is what will bind us together, the more we label each other the more we drive each other apart.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
Maybe I am old fashioned... how about we respect each other because we are human... and that should be enough.

You do not throw your personal life in my face, I will not throw mine in your face... and we can just get on with our lives.

I find it sadly ironic so many people are demanding recognition of their differences (please note this can be applied to conservatives as well as liberals in this area)... yet insist their team is for Unity.

I was raised to approach people and find what we have in common and build a relationship on that, because that is what will bind us together, the more we label each other the more we drive each other apart.


this i agree with



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Sublimecraft

so this has nothing to do with being gay? or muslim? or christian?

You are talking about respect?

yes, i agree that everyone should respect others as much as they can. However, you cant hold a cross up and if you see 2 guys kissing under it yell out ......"YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL TO ME AND MY RELIGION AND THAT IS WHY I HATE FAGGOTS".

See what Im saying?

that would be YOU being a disrespectful miserable biggot...see what im saying?

Not that YOU are doing this, just ...IF


Yes, I understand you are not saying 'me' specifically and I also acknowledge that there are folks who have not understood and/or misinterpreted their respective scriptural texts incorrectly and consequently project their flawed logic onto others, but then again, I'm not one to blindly believe what some Christian preacher or campus libtarded Professor says is fact - I'll check that sh!t myself and treat everyone on a one-on-one basis.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Sublimecraft

so this has nothing to do with being gay? or muslim? or christian?

You are talking about respect?

yes, i agree that everyone should respect others as much as they can. However, you cant hold a cross up and if you see 2 guys kissing under it yell out ......"YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL TO ME AND MY RELIGION AND THAT IS WHY I HATE FAGGOTS".

See what Im saying?

that would be YOU being a disrespectful miserable biggot...see what im saying?

Not that YOU are doing this, just ...IF


Yes, I understand you are not saying 'me' specifically and I also acknowledge that there are folks who have not understood and/or misinterpreted their respective scriptural texts incorrectly and consequently project their flawed logic onto others, but then again, I'm not one to blindly believe what some Christian preacher or campus libtarded Professor says is fact - I'll check that sh!t myself and treat everyone on a one-on-one basis.


just be a respectful person, which means respectful to everyone. If someone is disrespectful to you, you have a right to not be around them.

However, just simply being gay is NOT disrespectful to anyone. This I hope you understand.

and actually, im pretty sure more people misinterpret the bible than not.



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Yes and it's the same with guns and big government and every other liberal agenda. They are taking baby steps towards their ultimate fascist goals.

Jaden



posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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Every single person and/or entity (since corporations are people now) always push for and want more. More gun rights, more gay rights. More civil liberties, more tax breaks. More this. More that.

Congress makes budget cuts, immediately the outcry is "nothing was cut deep enough!"

Gay, straight, white, black, child, adult, male, female, liberal, conservative. Does not matter. Everyone has always wanted more from the first breath.
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posted on Jun, 20 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: deadlyhope

Yes and it's the same with guns and big government and every other liberal agenda. They are taking baby steps towards their ultimate fascist goals.

Jaden


do you find you are paranoid much?



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