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Hold on a minute - Were conservatives right, about gay rights?

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: daskakik


Relatively speaking, you are.

Depends on how you look at it I suppose.
But, what I do know is I’m not stuck in a universe that includes some of the sick crap the majority follows.
And really, no one is stuck here. You don’t like it you can always take a step off.


Sure you do. That is what your posts are communicating.

Not sure how stating what I believe is morally right or wrong is asking anyone to conform to my ideals just saying I think I’m right and you’re wrong (not you specifically). What you do from there is your own business.


I saw that. Exactly my point, nobody states an opinion if they think it is baseless.

Daskakik, I was making a joke. Never mind, lol.

peace




posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: AMPTAH

This is true but that doesn't mean that people who want to make babies will be denied a marriage license. That is going off the deep end.



Nobody will be allowed to "make babies."

That's the whole point.

The babies will be produced in a "factory."

The reason for this, is that natural conception produces lots of errors in the DNA of the newborn.

We're going to "fix that."

All those genetic diseases, thousands of disabilities suffered by mankind, will all be eliminated.

But, first, we have to ban heterosexual couples from having their own babies the natural way.

Who is going to "vote" to ban straight couples from conceiving their own kids? Not the straight men.

That's why the gay men are needed. They don't care about the straight lifestyle.

It has no emotional meaning to them.

They gay couple will accept a baby from "the factory" just fine.

And if the gay couple can accept the artificially produced kids, and raise them, then so can the straight couples.

That's the argument that will be presented in the House and Senate, that allows the new law to be passed, banning heterosexuals from natural conception.



It isn't just gay men.


You might think that there are all these LGBTQ...alphabet soup of diversity that we're promoting, but that's just the transition. The end result will be the elimination of the "dual body type", and the establishment of the most stable body type in place. So, an individual can call himself whatever he wants, and believe what ever gender in his "mind" he/she/ti might wish to be, but the body will be all male.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH


You might think that there are all these LGBTQ...alphabet soup of diversity that we're promoting, but that's just the transition. The end result will be the elimination of the "dual body type", and the establishment of the most stable body type in place. So, an individual can call himself whatever he wants, and believe what ever gender in his "mind" he/she/ti might wish to be, but the body will be all male.

Fascinating you state this - I was just listening to a video that echoes all you're saying (so far I’m only about ten minutes into it).

By posting this I'm not saying I agree with it 100% - I've not listened to it in it's entirety - yet.

peace
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Barcs
Restricting gay rights is exactly that. It causes suffering. People just want to happy. Live and let live.


That's the thing. Nobody is restricting the gays. The gay lifestyle has been in practice for thousands of years. It was nobody's business. But, in modern times, the gays have come out openly, and demanded to be known and recognized and accepted and given the same entitlements, and pushed their lifestyle and beliefs onto the other members of society. Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you". It is the gays that have come and said "we are gay" and "we want all these things from you people of the society."



if you feel your religion and beliefs are being infringed upon bc of gays, then you should look deeper into yourself for the problem



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
Depends on how you look at it I suppose.

That is why I said relatively speaking.


Not sure how stating what I believe is morally right or wrong is asking anyone to conform to my ideals just saying I think I’m right and you’re wrong (not you specifically). What you do from there is your own business.

Why say it if it really doesn't matter?


Daskakik, I was making a joke. Never mind, lol.

I know, it's from the Godfather III.

It was just a good example of the above, it matters more to you than you like to admit.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: AMPTAH




Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you".

They have.
Remember those bakeries?


remember...discrimination laws?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Then why not grant heterosexual couples a marriage license since nobody is going to be making babies?

Sorry but post-rapturesque doom porn doesn't make for good arguments.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: daskakik


Why say it if it really doesn't matter?

It might not matter to the person I'm responding to, yet maybe someone will read my replies and it will strike a chord in their heart to take a look at society with new eyes. Mass media bombards us with so much filthy crap we who don't go along with it need to stand up and be heard.

In that case? Yes, it matter. Maybe that’s what you’re trying to get me to admit and if it is? I wholeheartedly admit it.


It was just a good example of the above, it matters more to you than you like to admit.

I have no idea what you're trying to get across here.

Added note:

I'm curious. You said we're 'stuck here' in this universe.
I pointed out - we're really not.
I'm wondering why you have nothing to say to that?

peace

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: AMPTAH




Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you".

They have.
Remember those bakeries?


remember...discrimination laws?

Yep.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
It might not matter to the person I'm responding to

So it does matter.


I have no idea what you're trying to get across here.

What you said above. It matters. You want someone to see it and have a change of heart.


I'm curious. You said we're 'stuck here' in this universe.
I pointed out - we're really not.
I'm wondering why you have nothing to say to that?

I did. I said it was relative.

You said that you can leave, which I assume means die, but we have not. We are still here participating in this life and this thread.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
if you feel your religion and beliefs are being infringed upon bc of gays, then you should look deeper into yourself for the problem


Who said there are any problems? The religion has predicted all that is coming about. I'm just pointing it out, in clear text.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
The religion has predicted all that is coming about.

It doesn't predict this, that might be a bit of a Freudian slip:

Is is a good thing, that we will eliminate all women from society, and have just a world of men?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Barcs
Equal marriage rights has to do with legality and freedom to marry the person you love.


If only that were true!

The fact is that this marriage business has nothing to do with love. It's all about getting the same rights, the right to visit your partner in hospital, the right of inheritance on the death of a partner, the right to compensation from insurance for the unexpected death of your partner, the rights to the same entitlements that straight couples get in every circumstance that society has created to promote the establishment of the traditional family.

It's all about "making people equal". Not everyone marries for "love." People around the world marry for all sorts of reasons, like duty, if you're a prince, or for the sake of the union between two families, or for business interests.

This "love" business is all Hollywood promoted fantasy.


And what does this have to do with homosexuality? Straight people also get married for perks, but it makes sense to have the same perks for both hetero and homosexual couples. Regardless of that, many people who love each other DO get married out of love.


That's the thing. Nobody is restricting the gays. The gay lifestyle has been in practice for thousands of years. It was nobody's business. But, in modern times, the gays have come out openly, and demanded to be known and recognized and accepted and given the same entitlements, and pushed their lifestyle and beliefs onto the other members of society. Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you". It is the gays that have come and said "we are gay" and "we want all these things from you people of the society."


That is absurd, I'm sorry. The things they are asking for are the same things that everyone else gets. It's the Christians that pushed their agenda on everybody else's lives. You say it was nobody's business, but homosexuals used to get executed if caught. They hid because they HAD TO. If Christians have a right to come out openly and demand to be known and recognized and accepted, then so do homosexuals. They shouldn't have to hide themselves from the public because of your fantasy belief system that can't even be verified. You guys should be forced to worship in private and keep your religious views to yourselves then see how it feels. Or perhaps your marriage rights should be restricted because some people don't approve of Christianity or even see it as moral. Or you could try using EMPATHY, the main teaching of your savior.

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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one of their arguments was always " They will always push for more "

Many on the Left always insisted that's all they wanted... That no agenda was at play, that the end-goal was in sight and that they would quietly fade into silence if they felt gays were treated equally


I know!!

I felt the same about The Blacks.

First they wanted freedom from slavery. Ok, they got that, then wanted the right to vote. Seriously, freedom's not enough?? They got that, but complained when people tried to keep them from voting through intimidation, literacy tests, etc. Then they wanted to not be discriminated against or harassed and to be able to use the white restrooms and water fountains, eat at the same counters, and not have to go to the back of the bus, etc. The NERVE of those people, always wanting MORE.

After that, they wanted to not be discriminated against in employment, and wanted their OWN HISTORY MONTH to signify their historical struggle. The NERVE.

Always wanting more...







 

ETA:
#sarc

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

You're mixing apples and oranges.

peace



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Liquesence

You're mixing apples and oranges.


In the larger context, nope.

You're entitled to your opinion, though.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

one of their arguments was always " They will always push for more "

Many on the Left always insisted that's all they wanted... That no agenda was at play, that the end-goal was in sight and that they would quietly fade into silence if they felt gays were treated equally


I know!!

I felt the same about The Blacks.

First they wanted freedom from slavery. Ok, they got that, then wanted the right to vote. Seriously, freedom's not enough?? They got that, but complained when people tried to keep them from voting through intimidation, literacy tests, etc. Then they wanted to not be discriminated against or harassed and to be able to use the white restrooms and water fountains, eat at the same counters, and not have to go to the back of the bus, etc. The NERVE of those people, always wanting MORE.

After that, they wanted to not be discriminated against in employment, and wanted their OWN HISTORY MONTH to signify their historical struggle. The NERVE.

Always wanting more...


Great post! It's funny because The Christians are constantly whining and demanding for more. More benefits, tax free despite charging for special services and collecting "donations", the right to preach politics in the pulpit, insert mythology into education, etc. By that logic, we should have never given them freedom of religion in the first place, who knew it would lead to them demanding laws made in favor of religion like inserting "under god" into the pledge of alliance or onto currency. The absolute hypocrisy of these people to try to hold back homosexuals over a handful of cherry picked mythology quotes when they have been fighting against the constitution for a long time.

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Liquesence

You're mixing apples and oranges.

peace

Of course because you think it's a lifestyle made by choice.
If so why does it matter to you? They still have the right.
So no he was not mixing apples and oranges.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

a reply to: Liquesence, Deaf Alien

You're mixing apples and oranges.


In the larger context, nope.

People of African decent are a race.

Homosexuals are not.

peace
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 07:11 PM
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People of African decent are a race.

Homosexuals are not.


The human race, and still entitled to equal rights and protections.


No. Not even in the 'larger context.


Actually, yep.

ETA:

Yes, Africans are pretty decent.


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