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Hold on a minute - Were conservatives right, about gay rights?

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
I never said it wasn’t destroyed when someone cheats. That’s a given and has nothing to do with homosexuals who’ve destroyed the sanctity of the marriage bed/life with their perversions. Yes - perversions.


How does a homosexual destroy somebody else's marriage? That doesn't even make sense. Homosexuals don't affect your marriage in the least.
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: silo13
I never said it wasn’t destroyed when someone cheats. That’s a given and has nothing to do with homosexuals who’ve destroyed the sanctity of the marriage bed/life with their perversions. Yes - perversions.


How does a homosexual destroy somebody else's marriage? That doesn't even make sense. Homosexuals don't affect your marriage in the least.


Because you can't see where all this is heading. The next step is to deny heterosexuals the right to conception, since homosexuals can't conceive. Equal rights means the same opportunities for all.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Barcs

That is exactly what Jesus taught, though. You don't have to accept somebody's view or practice it to respect it and continue to treat them like a regular person. Jesus didn't ever say that it was okay to discriminate against people you disagreed with or attack them / publicly slander them. Jesus literally said "Love your enemies". Any Christian that can't use empathy is not a Christian.


How can you love, if you don't correct? Jesus always taught that it was good to stop sinning. He didn't embrace the sin. So, if you think something is a sin, should you praise it? The classic example is Jesus teaching on the prostitute. His disciples wanted to stone the woman, but Jesus stopped them, and said, he that is without sin, cast the first stone. Then he told the woman to go and "stop" sinning. He didn't teach to "respect the sin", and lets all go party and praise the sinners.



I didn't say that he taught to praise or celebrate "sins" that you don't agree with. Just to accept and tolerate OTHER PEOPLE and use empathy to understand where they are coming from. No offense but to correct somebody on their lifestyle, when you don't even know in the first place that your religion/worldview is true is hypocritical. Believe what you want to believe, just leave other people alone, it's not that hard. Don't cause harm or suffering to others. Restricting gay rights is exactly that. It causes suffering. People just want to happy. Live and let live.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: silo13
I never said it wasn’t destroyed when someone cheats. That’s a given and has nothing to do with homosexuals who’ve destroyed the sanctity of the marriage bed/life with their perversions. Yes - perversions.


How does a homosexual destroy somebody else's marriage? That doesn't even make sense. Homosexuals don't affect your marriage in the least.


Because you can't see where all this is heading. The next step is to deny heterosexuals the right to conception, since homosexuals can't conceive. Equal rights means the same opportunities for all.


You are using a logical fallacy, the slippery slope and equal opportunity is about OPPORTUNITY, not forcing your lifestyle on others. Everyone can choose to have or not have children. Equal marriage rights has to do with legality and freedom to marry the person you love. It doesn't mean you can force your lifestyle on others. How do you not see this? Do you guys ever have arguments that aren't completely based on fear and paranoia?
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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i very much support gay rights. some important people in my life were gay and i have gay friends who make for healthier company than most heterosexuals.

...however, the gay rights movement is the prime contributor to one of the most controversial subjects of the decade.



look at how complicated it has gotten. we were never this confused before in terms of identity and sexuality.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: silo13
I never said it wasn’t destroyed when someone cheats. That’s a given and has nothing to do with homosexuals who’ve destroyed the sanctity of the marriage bed/life with their perversions. Yes - perversions.


How does a homosexual destroy somebody else's marriage? That doesn't even make sense. Homosexuals don't affect your marriage in the least.


Because you can't see where all this is heading. The next step is to deny heterosexuals the right to conception, since homosexuals can't conceive. Equal rights means the same opportunities for all.


seriously? this is where you are twisting your bigot knot to? Just bc you are a miserable, immature, paranoid bigot gay hater, doesnt mean everyone else is. Just stop it, love thy neighbor

also, and this may throw you into a psychotic shock but...gays CAN have children as well
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: Nyiah
I never said it wasn’t destroyed when someone cheats. That’s a given and has nothing to do with homosexuals who’ve destroyed the sanctity of the marriage bed/life with their perversions. Yes - perversions.

The idea that someone can destroy the concept of a lifelong pair-bonding commitment by being gay is idiotic. They have nothing to do with your marriage, and vice versa, so maybe the energy you waste on the marital "get off mah lawn!" screaming is better saved for more legitimate crap.



Teaching children as they near puberty about reproduction is a healthy thing to do. Not something a 4-5 year old needs to be presented with at that age.

Where are they teaching 4 & 5 year olds sexual anatomy in public schools?




Now that you’ve taken this to a personal rout bringing up my ‘momma’ and using such ignorant presumptions you’ve negated this discussion.

And the fact that you got huffy about it proves my damn point already. Neither of us had adequate reproductive & sexual health teaching from our mothers, now did we? How does that mindset of "vagina = taboo" benefit offspring?



Retarded? I’m surprised you’d use such a derogatory word. Do you have a problem with people who’re physically handicapped?

Hey, funny story I've mentioned on here before! I once got someone modslapped for using "retarded" in a discussion when I was new here. Under the pretense that it was a "bad word" & us folks with mentally handicapped relatives all universally MUST think it's bad, despite personally thinking that PC bandwagon is BS. Turns out, more people with handicapped family than not don't actually think that and it's regarded as slang. Feel free to use it in appropriate context if you desire, it has multiple uses in English.



Yes, that would make someone rather naive if they thought so.

A young man (or woman) of that age (emphasis on that age) should be taught that just because their body might 'feel' one way or another they shouldn’t allow themselves to fall into destructive behavior.

Ok Sarah Palin. Remind me how solidly that worked for Bristol & millions of other teens while you keep preaching abstinence. Just because it worked for some who had it beat in their heads (you, I presume) or me (voluntary) does not make an effective method. In my case, a full lesson from my nurse sister-in-law on reproductive health kept my legs shut (go figure, knowledge kept my legs shut)



Yes, they should. No reason for me to explain myself, you’re mind is closed to anything that might even hint at purity, sanctity, or moral rights.

You have plenty of reason to explain yourself. Explain why two consenting teenagers need a criminal record for having sex.



You prove my point. What kind of a woman with any sense of self respect or self worth would tell a room full (ATS) of complete strangers about her sexual activities when she was a child or as an adult. One of the problems I have with homosexuals. What they do behind closed doors isn’t any of my business and shouldn’t be anyone’s business but their own.

I don't know what universe you live in, but many, many members on ATS have discussed sex before, including pornography & toys, openly. That's what people tend to do, discuss. I don't think anybody was typing one-handed during those chats, they were rather civil & mellow.
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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah


The idea that someone can destroy the concept of a lifelong pair-bonding commitment by being gay is idiotic. They have nothing to do with your marriage, and vice versa, so maybe the energy you waste on the marital "get off mah lawn!" screaming is better saved for more legitimate crap.

"Idiotic."

This is not having a discussion. This is you talking at me in a derogatory way.
If you can’t discus something without making it personal fine, but you’ll not be discussing the subject with me.


Where are they teaching 4 & 5 year olds sexual anatomy in public schools?


Edit to add: I replaced the correct cut/paste here.

That’s what Google is for. I tend to shy from spoon feeding people who don’t want to eat.


And the fact that you got huffy about it proves my damn point already. Neither of us had adequate reproductive & sexual health teaching from our mothers, now did we? How does that mindset of "vagina = taboo" benefit offspring?

Now you’re presuming again.
I made a statement of fact without any emotionalism at all.
Where you get all these presumptions about me is less than fascinating. You've yet to ‘hit the nail on the head’ once.


Hey, funny story I've mentioned on here before!

I don’t believe calling anyone ‘retard’ is ‘funny’ at all.


Just because it worked for some who had it beat in their heads (you, I presume) or me (voluntary) does not make an effective method.

Presuming yet again.


You have plenty of reason to explain yourself. Explain why two consenting teenagers need a criminal record for having sex.

You should be complimented on your redundancy. You're presuming again.
I have plenty of reasons?
I have no reason(s) to explain myself - at all.
My beliefs do not need your permission or scrutinization to lend them validity or the lack thereof.


I don't know what universe you live in, but many, many members on ATS have discussed sex before, including pornography & toys, openly.

I live and thrive in a universe where a woman doesn’t talk about her sexual proclivities or lack there of in public. It’s called respecting my husband and a manifestation of self respect and self worth.

That being said - if everyone on ATS ran off a cliff would you follow them?

So - you want to have a conversation? Quit with the verbal attacks. Quit with the presuming and really, I’d rather not be the recipient of learning what you do - or don’t do with your ‘vagina’.

If you continue down those line - save yourself the time. I’ll not respond to posts such as these again.

peace


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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: silo13

There is only one universe and we are all stuck here. That might be the problem, you think it should conform to your ideas.

Why even discuss it if you are not willing to change?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
"Idiotic."

This is not having a discussion. This is you talking at me in a derogatory way.
If you can’t discus something without making it personal fine, but you’ll not be discussing the subject with me.

Did I call you an idiot? I said the concept is idiotic, not you. You're looking for a fight over nothing at this point by MAKING it personal through bullheaded delusion (Silo v other side that isn't out to "get" Silo in the first place) Knock it off already, jesus.

WTF does this, which you said, not me:

Teaching children as they near puberty about reproduction is a healthy thing to do. Not something a 4-5 year old needs to be presented with at that age.


have to do with this reply to it??

That’s what Google is for. I tend to shy from spoon feeding people who don’t want to eat.




Now you’re presuming again.
I made a statement of fact without any emotionalism at all.
Where you get all these presumptions about me is less than fascinating. You've yet to ‘hit the nail on the head’ once.

You did not in fact make a statement of fact. You beat around the bush. For a reason. Prudishness doesn't cut it, even a prude is capable of stating yes or no to the question of whether or not they had received parental education on sexual & reproductive health growing up. If you are uncomfortable with answering one way or the other, you could say so instead continuing to quote & deflect.

Keep the context in mind, though. What we were taught or not taught -- and how either message was delivered -- impacted our perceptions of everything related to the genitals.



I don’t believe calling anyone ‘retard’ is ‘funny’ at all.

If you don't understand this kind of dry sarcasm, you better hope to high hell Augustus & you never banter.



You should be complimented on your redundancy. You're presuming again.
I have plenty of reasons?
I have no reason(s) to explain myself - at all.
My beliefs do not need your permission or scrutinization to lend them validity or the lack thereof.

Yes, you damn well do. Why should 2 consenting teenagers have to have a criminal record for having sex? I'm going to keep asking this until you answer. You put it out there, now it's on you to explain the validity of criminally charging two consenting teenagers for intercourse.



I live and thrive in a universe where a woman doesn’t talk about her sexual proclivities or lack there of in public. It’s called respecting my husband and a manifestation of self respect and self worth.

Well good for you then. If you don't like a thread topic, then don't participate. I don't see a gun to your proverbial head here, do you?
My husband has read some of these threads over my shoulder on occasion, he was not offended by the topics, nor my participation. We have enough understanding of and respect for each other that we can talk about subjects such as sex on our respective forums (he has his own) and not get bent out of shape over each other doing so.



That being said - if everyone on ATS ran off a cliff would you follow them?

Nice. Talk about something that makes Silo squirm, and it's all running off cliffs now. That's really reaching hard, you do know that, right?



So - you want to have a conversation? Quit with the verbal attacks. Quit with the presuming and really, I’d rather not be the recipient of learning what you do - or don’t do with your ‘vagina’.

If you continue down those line - save yourself the time. I’ll not respond to posts such as these again.

There have been no verbal attacks, your imagination is in serious overdrive. You are free to cease replying, though.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Nope they where wrong as usual, next question please.



PFFFT, lol.... hater



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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There is only one universe and we are all stuck here. That might be the problem, you think it should conform to your ideas.

I was using the words of another poster - not mine.

I would agree we only have one universe, luckily I'm not 'stuck here'.

Nope, I don't ask others to conform to my ideals. By the same I shouldn't have to conform to theirs.


Why even discuss it if you are not willing to change


In my original post I noted I wouldn't be discussing anything.

Just when I get out they pull me back in, lol.

peace



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Thanks for the heads up - I went back to my post and fixed a cut paste I had wrong concerning the 'google' comment.

Beyond that - when you can stop presuming - which obviously you can't - I might have something more to say but for now you can go play with yourself. I'm not going to entertain your making an 'ass' out of you and me any longer.

Assume = to make an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'.

peace



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: silo13
I was using the words of another poster - not mine.

We know.


I would agree we only have one universe, luckily I'm not 'stuck here'.

Relatively speaking, you are.


Nope, I don't ask others to conform to my ideals. By the same I shouldn't have to conform to theirs.

Sure you do. That is what your posts are communicating.


In my original post I noted I wouldn't be discussing anything.

Just when I get out they pull me back in, lol.

I saw that. Exactly my point, nobody states an opinion if they think it is baseless.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs
Equal marriage rights has to do with legality and freedom to marry the person you love.


If only that were true!

The fact is that this marriage business has nothing to do with love. It's all about getting the same rights, the right to visit your partner in hospital, the right of inheritance on the death of a partner, the right to compensation from insurance for the unexpected death of your partner, the rights to the same entitlements that straight couples get in every circumstance that society has created to promote the establishment of the traditional family.

It's all about "making people equal". Not everyone marries for "love." People around the world marry for all sorts of reasons, like duty, if you're a prince, or for the sake of the union between two families, or for business interests.

This "love" business is all Hollywood promoted fantasy.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: veracity

seriously? this is where you are twisting your bigot knot to? Just bc you are a miserable, immature, paranoid bigot gay hater, doesnt mean everyone else is. Just stop it, love thy neighbor

also, and this may throw you into a psychotic shock but...gays CAN have children as well


That's exactly what we're talking about here, isn't it? Just read over your own words. Those words didn't come out of my mouth. I simply point out where society is headed. Is it good, is is bad, to get there? I haven't said anything about this.

Is is a good thing, that we will eliminate all women from society, and have just a world of men? I don't know. The world began with all males. Then some smart dude, or dudes, called the Elohim, decided to make them "male and female", which started this whole problem of the war of the sexes. Then the Sons of God, saw the Daughters of Men that they were "beautiful", and took onto them "wives" whichever they choose, and there we went rolling down the hill on another cycle of this never-ending wheel of the Samara.

Whoever knows the beginning, he will know the end, for where the beginning is, that is the end of man. So, just read about the beginning, in the book of Genesis, and ask yourself, where are all the women? What happened to the "Daughers of God", why are there only "Sons of God" ?

Once again, we have the same gay movement, that eventually leads to the elimination of the female body type. Gay men do not need women around.



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

This is true but that doesn't mean that people who want to make babies will be denied a marriage license. That is going off the deep end.


Once again, we have the same gay movement, that eventually leads to the elimination of the female body type. Gay men do not need women around.

It isn't just gay men.

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posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs
Restricting gay rights is exactly that. It causes suffering. People just want to happy. Live and let live.


That's the thing. Nobody is restricting the gays. The gay lifestyle has been in practice for thousands of years. It was nobody's business. But, in modern times, the gays have come out openly, and demanded to be known and recognized and accepted and given the same entitlements, and pushed their lifestyle and beliefs onto the other members of society. Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you". It is the gays that have come and said "we are gay" and "we want all these things from you people of the society."



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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Nobody ever went to them and said "are you gay?" if so, "then we restrict you".

They have.
Remember those bakeries?



posted on Jun, 21 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
and given the same entitlements

Exactly. That is called equality.




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