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Heard a military guy say that his death was from frequent shots of sodium Pentothol so called truth serum eats holes in the brain. My guess is that since the US has the ability to track Lil Ill Kim's private plane it will have a tragic accident as JFK jrs plane did. (that"s an amazing story,took Coast Gard 15hrs to find JFK jrs plane, Jfk talked to the tower said he was 5min out from Martha's Vineyard and could see airport-then Coast Guard said he never spoke to tower-A great you tube around 90min)
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
What is Trump going to do about it? Write an angry tweet?
More sanctions... Military action... special operations...
Plenty of possibilities.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
What is Trump going to do about it? Write an angry tweet?
More sanctions... Military action... special operations...
Plenty of possibilities.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
First of all, I personally think the Jong Un regime is a bunch of sub-human animal creatures who would be better off if they were tossed off a bridge in a weighted bag into a river where they'd be consumed by bottom feeding scum and crustaceans. (Hopefully, my feelings are clear here).
That said, several points of consideration in this matter:
1. North Korea is FAR from a "tourist attraction" unless you consider the graveyard at Auschwitz a tourist attraction. Simply put, it's just not a "fun" place. Any person traveling there thinking it will be is sorely mistaken and misguided.
2. Outsiders, especially those from the US, who travel to NK need to fully understand and ACCEPT that travel to NK includes risks up to, and including, not coming home from NK...ever (i.e. Death).
3. Sadly, for the Warbier family, one person, on a non-political "vacation" travel jaunt to NK does not WW3 make. The facts are; Otto Warmbier traveled to North Korea on his own volition, with ample access to information concerning the dangers he could face there. That he chose to ignore some of these realities and got in serious trouble as a result is, unfortunately, no excuse.
4. People need to understand that when traveling to a 3rd world country the value placed on human life is far, far, different from western countries. They should further understand that even in western countries the level of medical care in a prison is far less than that of non-prison medical care. When you combine a 3rd world country and a prison in a 3rd world country, you should have no expectation of any level of medical proficiency...at all. It's unfortunate, but it is also a fact of life.
5. Otto Warbier's death, while tragic, is not a justification to go start launching cruise missiles into Pyongyang. As much as many of us would love to have this be the case, it simply isn't a justification to put millions of people in harms way, which is exactly what such an act would do.
6. How Otto Warmbier died, at this point, is probably mostly irrelevant. It's a safe bet to say, he went to North Korea, was accused and convicted of a crime by a kangaroo court and was killed. Even call it 'executed' if you wish. The net result is the same.
7. In addition to the obvious and inherent risks of traveling to a 3rd world country (as noted above), traveling to a 3rd world country with no diplomatic relations with your country of origin is exponentially more dangerous and risky for any of a number of reasons.
8. Those who call for "surgical strikes", or nuking the country, or any other such nonsense should ask themselves one simple question: "Would I willingly put myself, or one (or more) of my loved ones, on the front lines of the battle, war if you will, which will almost certainly result???" If the answer is "no", then that person should re-think the arm-chair quarterbacking.
9. Dennis Rodman - Dennis Rodman is an idiot, and that's pretty much all you can say about Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman is interested in Dennis Rodman, and Dennis Rodman ONLY.
10. RIP Otto Warbier. You were likely a good kid who might have gone places, and you will be missed by many.
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: daskakik
Did I misspell the word? well sorry about that.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: SBMcG
Yes, Warmbier acted stupidly. Guess what? 21 year-old males often do that. But that stupidity should not have cost him his life.
No "fact, intellect, reason, observation, history, and logic" went into that thought.
originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: SBMcG
The family is declining to have an autopsy performed on Otto. This is surprising. I thought anytime a person dies an autopsy is performed if the cause of death is in question. I didn't think the families could decline or refuse.
Guess we will never know what caused his coma. At least there was a chance for answers if there was an autopsy.
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