Venezuela, Socialism, Bernie, Kittens and Rainbows.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Ahhh socialism. The gift that keeps on taking!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: FauxMulder

Ahhh socialism. The gift that keeps on taking!

...and EVERYDAY is Christmas in Venezuela.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Looks like Bernie is putting that couple million bucks he got from Hillary for his campaign to good use.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Is it socialist when the government takes better care of the Corporations than the taxpayers like in the US?

Subsidies for corps making obscene profits. Bailing out banks, to big to fail industries with govt. bail outs.
Grants to BS start up destined to fail, paid for you and me.

Wars that are specifically designed so the war machine PROFITS on the backs of American taxpayers.....

Socialism here but favors the big Corps rather than the citizens.




Have fun in your Right wing circle jerks and ignore the obvious!

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: FauxMulder

Looks like Bernie is putting that couple million bucks he got from Hillary for his campaign to good use.

I hear Bernie also has a gold-plated mobility scooter, back at the mansion.

-Chris

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Norway is considered a mixed economy, and is transitioning away from the socialist aspects due to high cost of living and the inability to compete.

Sweden's resources is about 90% privately owned, so it's more capitalist than whatever BS you're spouting. I really don't think you understand what socialism is. Sweden actually had to cut back on welfare spending in the '90s due to unsustainability, the Swedish government has been steadily privatizing, shifting away from socialism.

As for Canada, they have a stock market correct? That is indicative of capitalism. Canada also has a lower tax rate for the wealthiest than America does. Canada's healthcare system has been shifting towards private care, a notable landmark was the declaration that denying private healthcare was unconstitutional due to people dying on waiting lists.

Australia is a capitalist country, it has a stock market exchange, and has enjoyed heavy Chinese investments. This year, Australia has been cutting back on social programs.

It seems that every nation you identify as socialist, are actually moving away from socialism. We can all look to them as a lesson, and skip the painful step of finding out how toxic socialism really is.

Socialism in and of itself isn't the problem. The problem is taking the power and control away from the individual and giving that power and control exclusively to a few in government/corporations, because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That power and control could be wielded in ways beneficial to the people, but those who crave power and control aren't the types that want to do what is best for others... just for themselves.

Thus, any system can be corrupted.The same thing is happening here in our Republic, wherein the few are taking the power and control away from the people.

The only answer is to empower and enable everyone to provide for themselves. The whole is only as strong as its weakest link. When we make the individual strong and resourceful and independent, we make the whole exponentially stronger in the process.

a reply to: IAMTAT

At his age, I would just dissapear and enjoy the rest of my life comfortably.

Which seems like he is doing, minus the dissapearing part.

Once socialism is implemented to a certain level there is no stopping it. The Scandinavians are starting to realize this and reversing many of the socialist programs enacted in the 80-90's. You still serve a harsher jail sentence for unpaid taxes than raping someone. But I digress...

Venezuela is the eventual endgame to socialism.
Where crimes against the state and the ruling elite are met with the harshest of punishment. Meanwhile crimes against humanity happen on every street corner and go unchecked. At least in a capitalist society the individual has some control over his/her destiny when the establishment goes off the rails. Sadly the erosion of the ideals and freedoms that kept a balance has occurred long enough that someone like Bernie Socialist Sanders can amass a following of debt riddled collage indoctrinated communists.

This is all you need to know about socialism...

The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin

a reply to: FauxMulder

Well then.

The Bernie pic is insane. I dont mind that he is doing well, I just ask HOW is be doing THIS WELL as a public servant.

Should have just gone into finance if he needs crap like that.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: MissCoyote
Socialism they said, it will be fun they said....
Why is it all socialism always ends up the same freaking way? Then u have those diehard socialists that proclaim that is just not being executed correctly. Lol ...spoke too soon

Socialism does not always end the same way. The problem is people are uneducated on such matter. So a case like Venezuela is easy picken's for the misinformed.

Really ?

The problem is people are uneducated on such matter

So educate the great uneducated masses oh wise one....

a reply to: Gothmog

Really ?

Yes.

So educate the great uneducated masses oh wise one....

I just did. Venezuela's issue stems from it's ignorant leadership that refused to allow the country to trade in other currencies, specifically the US dollar.

Their industries were unable to import/export effectively. They were unable to import enough food and supplies, etc.

It's not socialism that failed. It was stubborn ignorance.

a reply to: Gothmog

There is no true scottsman.

The other important thing to consider when thinking about Venezuela, instead of these knee-jerk 'socialism is baaaaad!' responses, is to think about what other Capitalist nations (mostly the USA) did to Venezuela to make sure their socialist experiment failed spectacularly.

So that they could 'prove' that socialism was evil, so that people would have knee jerk responses, and never ever consider the possibility that there might be an alternative to all of us being screwed over all the time by the mega corporations.

I feel the dire need to go back and read a fantastic essay written in 1995 called Why socialism failed. I remember writing my own essay based off of it in highschool 16/17 some odd years ago for government. granted socialism LOOKS pretty seductive but in the end and there is always an end it causes issues like what we see in Venezuela...some faster than others.

In command market there is always too much demand too little supply. Free market, not war, beat Communism.

a reply to: introvert

So would you mind pointing us to some countries that exemplify a well done socialist system in which it is thriving rather than failing. I don't really know of any...As another poster pointed out, those popular examples of countries who have socialist systems seem to be moving away from them because they're not working out very well.

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: introvert

So would you mind pointing us to some countries that exemplify a well done socialist system in which it is thriving rather than failing. I don't really know of any...As another poster pointed out, those popular examples of countries who have socialist systems seem to be moving away from them because they're not working out very well.

As you said, there are no countries to point to because no one country has a completely socialist system. They have socialist programs in place, mixed with capitalist/free-markets.