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Van Slams Into Pedestrians Near London Mosque Leaving "Number Of Casualties", Driver Arrested

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posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:22 AM
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Mentioned some tings in the media coverage.
Since it was uslims that were hit, by a white(christian?) male, nobody talks about a terror attack, here in the german news.

And, if the attacker is white, he is alive after his attack, in contrast to all the "muslim" attackers.

But somehow this is not used to scare the whole population, to tell them that we need more big brother now, and all that "the state vs the people" crap that follows after terror attacks.

Which are only terror attacks if they are "muslim"(are "our" secret services, the puppetmasters, muslim too?)




posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:28 AM
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originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: crazyewok
His speech provoked and inspired racist attacks against blacks across England and he was treated as a hero by the national front and BNP..


He is not responsible for idiots.

Unless of course all Muslims now are responible for the minority of Terrorists?


originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: crazyewok


so yeah he's not well liked by those of us that aren't white. If that makes us all liberals then so be it.



But he was proved 100% right.

Thats what matters he was RIGHT


Not all muslims no but the imams that give speeches to incite violence against us are certainly responsible. I don't see much of a distinction there between him and them, just the other side of the coin.

He was proved right because in some small part he helped bring about the conditions he was talking about. The 70s and 80s were a horrific time for a lot of people that were first and 2nd generation immigrants and these attacks went largely uninvestigated by the police. My family was a victim of this. The knock on effect in other communities is it made them insular, now they've become breeding grounds for resentment. It's way too simplistic to blame it solely on the immigrants themselves, it's a hugely complex problem with a lot of dynamics.



Bull#.

His speech was never meant to incite attacks.

He was a increbily smart man. He was a expert on languages and culture.

He saw there was a future peoblem. He KNEW this would happen.
Not just because of Immigrants. You miss the enitire point of his speech! His claim all encompassed the racists meat heads she could see pushing back asell as Immigrants that refused to assimilate. He KNEW human nature, he KNEW that some British would not easily accept change.

What was he meant to do? Keep quiet and not speak out about a future problem?

He saw that some immigrants would refuse to assimilate and that some British people would equally push back.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter

He's probably alive because the attack wasn't really planeed just a spontaneous attack. I'd put money on the van driver being drunk having just left the pub and took a swing at some muslims. Probably been reading the Daily Mail at the bar with tales about how muslims are doing something or other. Probably just a piss head



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: DerBeobachter
Mentioned some tings in the media coverage.
Since it was uslims that were hit, by a white(christian?) male, nobody talks about a terror attack, here in the german news.

And, if the attacker is white, he is alive after his attack, in contrast to all the "muslim" attackers.

But somehow this is not used to scare the whole population, to tell them that we need more big brother now, and all that "the state vs the people" crap that follows after terror attacks.

Which are only terror attacks if they are "muslim"(are "our" secret services, the puppetmasters, muslim too?)


Uk news are making a point of calling it a terrorist attack.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:41 AM
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Sadly there was an inevitability that this would happen and the reaction was also just as inevitable, "Muslims are afraid to walk the streets" was the first comment I heard. I can only hope that now both sides have seen the affects of these attacks there will be an understanding.

An attack like this is cowardly whoever is doing it and I hope the driver and his two mates get the full force of the law used on them because there's an equal chance that this could lead to an all out war between Muslim and Non Muslims with so many totally innocents caught square in the middle from both sides.

What I find stupid are the white vs black comments seen in this thread especially the anti white ones based because it was white people in the van, there's no white vs black, its ignorant non Muslims vs what they saw as nasty Muslims who did the same to them, the fact it was innocent Muslims just leaving a Mosque is horrendous and just shows the potential ignorance from both sides but lets not make this about race please, we have enough problems in Britain without trying to import the race issues of America here as well.

I just HOPE both sides see the terrible terrible outcomes of these cowardly attacks and try to make sure persons of both sides realise neither needs to do them but in reality I can just see the hardcore Islamists using this to promote even more divide between Muslims and Non Muslims when the exact opposite is what is needed, to flush out the ultra radical Islamists so no one needs to fear walking down the street....NO ONE...



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:50 AM
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edit on 19-6-2017 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: dont do it, the stupid is far to strong in this one



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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This is not terrorism as there's unlikely to be any political group involved or agenda, absolutely nothing to suggest Islamophobia as he didn't exactly seem terrified of Muslims, rather they cannot refer to the likely nature of this incident, a reprisal, as that would suggest there was a basis for such, and according to their narrative that's not the case.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 04:53 AM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt
This is not terrorism as there's unlikely to be any political group involved or agenda, absolutely nothing to suggest Islamophobia as he didn't exactly seem terrified of Muslims, rather they cannot refer to the likely nature of this incident, a reprisal, as that would suggest there was a basis for such, and according to their narrative that's not the case.





Clearly he was not scared, he wanted to hurt them.

What is your point ?



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

My point was that they cannot identify this as a reprisal against atrocities carried out by Muslims because there aren't supposed to be any...even though it probably was.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt


The media likes spin, I guess that leaves the rest of us to decipher it.


edit on 19-6-2017 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 05:39 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Not sure how to find the numbers but I would bet more welfare checks are payed out to natives than to immigrants, and that is a whole other argument because governments needs a certain amount of supporters to remain at the top.


You're presenting that as a negative. Just stop and think about it for a second. Do you see the issue?



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Not sure how to find the numbers but I would bet more welfare checks are payed out to natives than to immigrants, and that is a whole other argument because governments needs a certain amount of supporters to remain at the top.


You're presenting that as a negative. Just stop and think about it for a second. Do you see the issue?




AT least try to follow the conversation



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 05:53 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

AT least try to follow the conversation


I was, which is why I pointed it out.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 06:23 AM
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It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 06:26 AM
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originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?
Too many immigrants at once easy



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?
Too many immigrants at once easy


Its more a case of too many immigrants with no utility and no intention of integrating - we don't need most of them.
Nothing wrong with immigrants that are required - for example in the health service.
edit on 19/6/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?
Too many immigrants at once easy


Its more a case of too many immigrants with no utility and no intention of integrating - we don't need most of them.
Nothing wrong with immigrants that are required - for example in the health service.


Sadly the politicians never mention the un-needed immigrants, they just keep the 'we need immigration' flag flying while we are left with a very large number of people simply wishing to come here for reasons of poverty, benefits, healthcare or terror related stuff. The people simply never get mentioned and despite the liberal views we cannot support these people. The levels of benefit fraud are sky high, the NHS cannot cope, housing cannot cope and there's the very nasty section that come here to spread Radical Islam and refuse point blank to integrate.

Now we will see Radical Islam prompting these people to attack us even more as well as trying to divide ordinary Muslims by saying "Look they are attacking you, you have to fight back" which will actually happen because the youth of Islam are easily Radicalised.

If people refuse to see the connection with this swamp of immigration and the Radical sweep that is happening then they can sit and wait for the Radicals to deal with them. I think normal folk are realising the numbers quoted for immigration are fudged, the number of people seeking to come here for reasons other than finding a safe home are MUCH larger than said and probably dwarfs the actual number who come here for jobs. Just look at the level of Somalian immigrants, their country isn't at war with anyone, its a pretty barbaric place but that's the way they are with each other. You also have to look at the skills they offer, almost none that are actually needed here and the women for the most part will either never work and most never speak English, what use is that to the UK, why do we take them as refugee's when they are NOT that and when the hell are we going to treat immigration as a business.

If you won't or can't put in to the tax pot then you go to the very back of the queue until we get the correct levels of needed people and then we look at the rest of the queue as who actually has the right to ask for UK status and who can offer something to the whole community and not just be a non integrated ghetto person.

We also have the problem that most of the so called refugee's are from very very Radical countries, do we really need more Radical people here???



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: Mclaneinc

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Denoli

originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?
Too many immigrants at once easy


Its more a case of too many immigrants with no utility and no intention of integrating - we don't need most of them.
Nothing wrong with immigrants that are required - for example in the health service.


Sadly the politicians never mention the un-needed immigrants, they just keep the 'we need immigration' flag flying while we are left with a very large number of people simply wishing to come here for reasons of poverty, benefits, healthcare or terror related stuff. The people simply never get mentioned and despite the liberal views we cannot support these people. The levels of benefit fraud are sky high, the NHS cannot cope, housing cannot cope and there's the very nasty section that come here to spread Radical Islam and refuse point blank to integrate.

Now we will see Radical Islam prompting these people to attack us even more as well as trying to divide ordinary Muslims by saying "Look they are attacking you, you have to fight back" which will actually happen because the youth of Islam are easily Radicalised.

If people refuse to see the connection with this swamp of immigration and the Radical sweep that is happening then they can sit and wait for the Radicals to deal with them. I think normal folk are realising the numbers quoted for immigration are fudged, the number of people seeking to come here for reasons other than finding a safe home are MUCH larger than said and probably dwarfs the actual number who come here for jobs. Just look at the level of Somalian immigrants, their country isn't at war with anyone, its a pretty barbaric place but that's the way they are with each other. You also have to look at the skills they offer, almost none that are actually needed here and the women for the most part will either never work and most never speak English, what use is that to the UK, why do we take them as refugee's when they are NOT that and when the hell are we going to treat immigration as a business.

If you won't or can't put in to the tax pot then you go to the very back of the queue until we get the correct levels of needed people and then we look at the rest of the queue as who actually has the right to ask for UK status and who can offer something to the whole community and not just be a non integrated ghetto person.

We also have the problem that most of the so called refugee's are from very very Radical countries, do we really need more Radical people here???


Indeedy - I have a box of rice crispies here, most of them are okay but 20% of them are poisonous and will kill you.

Would you like a bowl?

No?

Why not - most rice crispies are good, we need rice crispies - you must be crispie-ist.

etc.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: Power_Semi
It's getting embarrassing to be British around here - every week there's some major # going down over here.

What the hell has happened to the world?


We are now entering the first stages of the Bosnia / Kosovo experience. Totally inevitable in the major cities twnty years or so from now. My Serbian mate Jovo says Britain's PTB have been totally nuts letting them getting getting a foothold here.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Agreed ! He crashed his van, which would of had a speed restriction, into bollards.
No planning at all, drunk from out of town.







 
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