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Russia is not socialist like the US is, and Democrats hate Putin for it.

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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Russia has a flat income tax of 13% for everyone regardless how personal income, enacted by Putin in 2001 replacing the earlier socialist tax system.

The US, on the other hand, has a socialist tax rate that increases tax rate for people having higher personal income. The tax rate on income $0 to $9,275 is 10%, and this increases to 15% on income $9,276 to $37,650, increasing again to 25% on income $37,651 to $91,150, which is what the vast majority of Americans make.

Americans pay more tax than Russians do, yet Americans don't have universal healthcare like Russia does, and Americans spend more than any other country does on healthcare per capita PPP and gets less in healthcare service. Throwing more money to the problem and having an unfair socialist tax policy isn't the answer to the problem.

www.forbes.com...

www.bankrate.com...




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:07 AM
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This is true, what the Democrats are trying to create is very expensive, it lines the pockets of the upper middle class and actually will lead to a two class system, you are either poor or rich.

Basic Universal health care does not have to be expensive. If a person wants to get extended coverage, they should be able to buy a supplement for that. If people want to spend their own money having glowing teeth or gold crowns, they can buy insurance for that. If they want to have cosmetic insurance and botox treatments and plastic surgery, they can buy insurance for that or pay. If they want an abortion they can pay for that themselves or buy insurance too. Basic healthcare should be provided by our country. This should not include overly priced cancer treatment either, our people can be taught ways to reduce cancer risk. Right now, cancer is a big moneymaker, we need to fix the problem that plagues society instead of just treating the disease after people get it. Many times the part we throw away when we eat food actually protects us from cancer. We have become entitled and think these less tasty parts are inferior, sometimes they actually contain chemistry that helps to protect us from diseases.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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Ukraine has the same fair tax policy as Russia does, with a 15% tax rate on everyone regardless of income.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Funny, it's usually the richest Americans that say a flat tax is unfair, because the wealthy would be paying more. I'm all for a flat tax system...I think 13-15% would be fair...with no possibility of deductions, and corporations would pay the same flat tax rate as well.

It would also do a great deal to reduce the federal IRS, which could save taxpayers BILLIONS of dollars each year. Taxes shouldn't be a partisan issue. Imagine what would happen if there was no way to make your income "look" smaller? It would be great.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Universal health care? I ain't paying for no knocked up martian prenatal care!

Seriously though, why does every social program in the US just bleed money?

People always cite the ""success" of other countries socialist policies while forgetting they are in the US, where it costs $180 for a toilet seat if it's on the taxpayers dime.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Universal healthcare mostly just forces everyone to buy insurance or else pay a fine. It does not mean every time someone goes to the doctor he or she gets a treatment. Mostly it only covers a simple checkup. Doctors and professors, unlike public school teachers, cost a lot. They need a lot more than a 4 year degree to work.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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I realky don't believe the liberal hatred for Russia arises out of an analysia of their tax plan. I think that's too much in the weeds for the base democrats to even comprehend. i think their hatred stems from putins aggressive treatment of gays and miscreants and killing of so called journalists. Democrats see the Russian police whipping the pussy riot freaks or Russian equivalents of Don Lemon getting poisoned and they think putins the anti christ. Personally whipping society's outcasts or offing cnn so called journalists wouldn't bother me.
edit on 17-6-2017 by Timed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye


Ummm...Yes...however...We Americans have a loving government that pulls a magic genie terrorist or two out of the closet every now and then to perpetuate the flow of patriotic juices...

And let me tell you my friend...our loving intelligence (sarc) services...are busily making ahem discovering more of them all the time...

And the narrative pushed is...that evil Russia...

Talk about a disconnect...

I'm so freaking ashamed of my government I can't properly articulate it...





YouSir



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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Russia is a third world dung heap because useful idiots allow the billionaire class to dump on them regularly.
Check out the emigration from Russia, anyone with education & skills is bailing from that cesspool.

Putin arrests or kills his political rivals, his fans are drunks & rapists who couldn't succeed in a first world civilization.

Hey that's just like the Trumpinistas, too stupid to make a living in the modern world so they pine for the past when they could step on everyone else with social impunity.

K~



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
Russia is a third world dung heap because useful idiots allow the billionaire class to dump on them regularly.
Check out the emigration from Russia, anyone with education & skills is bailing from that cesspool.

Putin arrests or kills his political rivals, his fans are drunks & rapists who couldn't succeed in a first world civilization.

Hey that's just like the Trumpinistas, too stupid to make a living in the modern world so they pine for the past when they could step on everyone else with social impunity.

K~



I think you need a new shtick man. Democrats are the bottom feeders of American society. The poor, minority, gay, handicapped, freaks, and the like. Every relevant statistic supports these facts.

As compared with most Americans, Trump’s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data. That’s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it’s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It’s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both.

fivethirtyeight.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: Timed
Except for the fact that Democratic portions of the US generate most of the wealth & productivity, while most Republican held areas are economic losers who take in more federal dollars through welfare & medicaid than they put in.

Republicans vote to poison children & kill the sick & infirm, they think it's fun to "Coal Roll" because not poisoning the air & land is for the weak.

They praise a known killer who has raped the wealth from his country to enrich himself & his cronies.
Oh wait Putin's a Republican, damn I just realized why you people praise him so much, he's just like the filth you send to Washington.

K~



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Russia has a flat income tax of 13% for everyone regardless how personal income, enacted by Putin in 2001 replacing the earlier socialist tax system.

The US, on the other hand, has a socialist tax rate that increases tax rate for people having higher personal income. The tax rate on income $0 to $9,275 is 10%, and this increases to 15% on income $9,276 to $37,650, increasing again to 25% on income $37,651 to $91,150, which is what the vast majority of Americans make.

Americans pay more tax than Russians do, yet Americans don't have universal healthcare like Russia does, and Americans spend more than any other country does on healthcare per capita PPP and gets less in healthcare service. Throwing more money to the problem and having an unfair socialist tax policy isn't the answer to the problem.

www.forbes.com...

www.bankrate.com...



Russia and the US both are oligarchies.

Neither russia or the us are socialist. Policy is set by oligarchs who send bribes to Congress through lobbyists.

You folks who believe the US is socialist don't really think about who is writing the policies. It certainly isn't Bernie sanders supporters.

www.bbc.com...
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: Timed
Except for the fact that Democratic portions of the US generate most of the wealth & productivity, while most Republican held areas are economic losers who take in more federal dollars through welfare & medicaid than they put in.

Republicans vote to poison children & kill the sick & infirm, they think it's fun to "Coal Roll" because not poisoning the air & land is for the weak.

They praise a known killer who has raped the wealth from his country to enrich himself & his cronies.
Oh wait Putin's a Republican, damn I just realized why you people praise him so much, he's just like the filth you send to Washington.

K~


So when trying to determine individual wealth you think state statistics is a better metric than individual wealth? Geeze, can't imagine why you support subsidized healthcare. Think of Putin as a manifestation of freedom, a leader allowing the strong to thrive and the weak to perish. I have no issues with freedom or Putin but I understand why the weak would.
edit on 17-6-2017 by Timed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Russia has a flat income tax of 13% for everyone regardless how personal income, enacted by Putin in 2001 replacing the earlier socialist tax system.

The US, on the other hand, has a socialist tax rate that increases tax rate for people having higher personal income. The tax rate on income $0 to $9,275 is 10%, and this increases to 15% on income $9,276 to $37,650, increasing again to 25% on income $37,651 to $91,150, which is what the vast majority of Americans make.

Americans pay more tax than Russians do, yet Americans don't have universal healthcare like Russia does, and Americans spend more than any other country does on healthcare per capita PPP and gets less in healthcare service. Throwing more money to the problem and having an unfair socialist tax policy isn't the answer to the problem.

www.forbes.com...

www.bankrate.com...



Lol... another thread trying to convince right wing Americans that Russia is better than the American left.

This goes right along with the Russian propaganda being pushed by trolls who are also encouraging the Right start violence against the Left.

Tell us more how Right wing Americans need to be more like dear Russia and their Pusin boots leader.

Tell us more how Russia is the great model for Right wingers. Do you have a pamphlet? Lol
edit on 17-6-2017 by spiritualzombie because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: Timed

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: Timed
Except for the fact that Democratic portions of the US generate most of the wealth & productivity, while most Republican held areas are economic losers who take in more federal dollars through welfare & medicaid than they put in.

Republicans vote to poison children & kill the sick & infirm, they think it's fun to "Coal Roll" because not poisoning the air & land is for the weak.

They praise a known killer who has raped the wealth from his country to enrich himself & his cronies.
Oh wait Putin's a Republican, damn I just realized why you people praise him so much, he's just like the filth you send to Washington.

K~


So when trying to determine individual wealth you think state statistics is a better metric than individual wealth? Geeze, can't imagine why you support subsidized healthcare. Think of Putin as a manifestation of freedom, a leader allowing the strong to thrive and the weak to perish. I have no issues with freedom or Putin but I understand why the weak would.


You believe that oligarchs should in fact run society?

You greatly misunderstand immorality vs strength. When a person creates a social Co tract and then breaks it it isn't strength it's immortality.

Were Washington, Jefferson, Adams, who believed in the enlightenment philosophers so much they recreated John Locke's two treaties of government in a living constitution, weak?

If you decide to not play by the rules of the social contract you can in fact, immorall as it may be, gain advantage.

The same thing that allows a terrorist to blow up a nursery school, is the same thing immoral political, or business leaders do. Exploit the fact every one should be paying attention to the unspoken rules the constitution frames.

Society falls apart the more the social contract is ignored. It's a timeless scientifically verifiable event.
edit on 17-6-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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Russia is behind the US in almost every measure on health, from life expectancy, child survival rate, hospital beds, doctors, to disease free healthy human beings.

They pay for "universal" health care by making it less effective and less inclusive for everyone. Their system is collapsing and the population getting less healthy:

www.newsweek.com...

This is what socialists in America want for American citizens. That is the nature of all socialists policies - destroy quality and provide inferior service so everyone can have the same, resulting in lower standards for all. Russia's healthcare system is very socialist.

The reason liberals hate Putin is because the media told them to - it's that simple.
edit on 17/6/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: Timed
Personally whipping society's outcasts or offing cnn so called journalists wouldn't bother me.


And there it is... the endorsement of violence against the left.

Trolls helping trolls...



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Personally I think that's an over simplification.

The US states with the most "free market" approaches are having some major issues with care quality. Where as states like MA pay extreme taxes they have good care, and very low federal government aid.

Where as some conservative states require a lot of federal funding to operate their own budget.

Most people have been misled of the reality of the situation.

Universal health care does not mean socialized. It means everyone has to have it. Like most states force you to have car insurance. This is a cost control function of insurance pools.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Timed

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: Timed
Except for the fact that Democratic portions of the US generate most of the wealth & productivity, while most Republican held areas are economic losers who take in more federal dollars through welfare & medicaid than they put in.

Republicans vote to poison children & kill the sick & infirm, they think it's fun to "Coal Roll" because not poisoning the air & land is for the weak.

They praise a known killer who has raped the wealth from his country to enrich himself & his cronies.
Oh wait Putin's a Republican, damn I just realized why you people praise him so much, he's just like the filth you send to Washington.

K~


So when trying to determine individual wealth you think state statistics is a better metric than individual wealth? Geeze, can't imagine why you support subsidized healthcare. Think of Putin as a manifestation of freedom, a leader allowing the strong to thrive and the weak to perish. I have no issues with freedom or Putin but I understand why the weak would.


You believe that oligarchs should in fact run society?

You greatly misunderstand immorality vs strength. When a person creates a social Co tract and then breaks it it isn't strength it's immortality.

Were Washington, Jefferson, Adams, who believed in the enlightenment philosophers so much they recreated John Locke's two treaties of government in a living constitution, weak?

If you decide to not play by the rules of the social contract you can in fact, immorall as it may be, gain advantage.

The same thing that allows a terrorist to blow up a nursery school, is the same thing immoral political, or business leaders do. Exploit the fact every one should be paying attention to the unspoken rules the constitution frames.

Society falls apart the more the social contract is ignored. It's a timeless scientifically verifiable event.


I have no issues with society by and for the constitution. But to claim the founders and their constitution support subsidizing the failed lives of the weak isn't true. Freedom allows both success and failure but modern society limits success to prevent failure. Further, we know parties operate outside the terms of our society. Imagine if CNN were held accountable, under Putin it would.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: Timed

You were praising leaders who exploit the social contract.

Do you think oil and gas should be getting trillions in hand outs every year? Why aren't they allowed to compete with even subsidies. Let me guess you complain about the pennies solar companies got under Obama yet support a rigged energy market with oil and gas operating in a subsidized profit model?




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