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Protesters INTERRUPT Trump Assassination Play – RUSH STAGE —

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Grambler

Well I'll have to look into that later. If what you are saying is true then that's something we have to look into.


Yes and I will fully admit that perhaps she did something more, its still early.


But I think it is worth questioning.




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Ridiculous and censorial behavior. This should not be tolerated Ina free society.


Agreed. It's ridiculous, but in a free society you have the right to free speech and to protest.



There is a fine line between protest and disruption. Disrupting someone's play, their free speech, is censorship.


No, it is not censorship. It's disruption through free speech.

The play still went on and the disruptors paid the consequences of their act of free speech.


It has a term, both in a legal and layman's sense: the Heckler's veto. It's disrupting someone's free speech, as simple as that.


If I am not mistaken, Heckler's Veto includes intervention by a government authority to suppress free speech based on the reaction of the "heckler".

That does not seem to apply here.


As I said it has a legal and a layman's sense. Legally, yes you are right. But letting people speak is a moral duty if you believe in free speech.


I support letting them speak.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Grambler

How do you know if it wasn't her subsequent actions that warranted arrest?

Usually, police will tell them to leave or they will be arrested. I don't know what she said or did after she was escorted away.


I am just pointing out that it seems over and over again that police are not very interested in making arrests when liberals engage in this sort of behavior, but one conservative incident and there is an arrest.


I think that's your imagination. Arrests are not uncommon for anyone engaging in protests - especially when things get ugly.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

Source?



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Ridiculous and censorial behavior. This should not be tolerated Ina free society.


Agreed. It's ridiculous, but in a free society you have the right to free speech and to protest.



There is a fine line between protest and disruption. Disrupting someone's play, their free speech, is censorship.


No, it is not censorship. It's disruption through free speech.

The play still went on and the disruptors paid the consequences of their act of free speech.


It has a term, both in a legal and layman's sense: the Heckler's veto. It's disrupting someone's free speech, as simple as that.


If I am not mistaken, Heckler's Veto includes intervention by a government authority to suppress free speech based on the reaction of the "heckler".

That does not seem to apply here.


As I said it has a legal and a layman's sense. Legally, yes you are right. But letting people speak is a moral duty if you believe in free speech.


I support letting them speak.


I agree.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123


Lol, well steve was right, the liberals have blood on their hands, scalise specifically, what did they expect?


So, "the lberals have blood on their hands" but conservatives don't? How convenient! Let me guess, somehow you don't apply that standard to your own hands and the blood spilled by unhinged right-wing extremists?

Of course not.

You'd probably also claim that you're not advocating for political violence either, am I right?



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:45 AM
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All this left right nonsense is giving me a headache. People are dividing themselves and setting things off. I don't think I really want to know what the world may become in another 12 years from now.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Ridiculous and censorial behavior. This should not be tolerated Ina free society.


Agreed. It's ridiculous, but in a free society you have the right to free speech and to protest.



There is a fine line between protest and disruption. Disrupting someone's play, their free speech, is censorship.


Agreed. I stood against this when it's done against conservative speakers, and I am against it now


As you should. It's censorship.


Although I was opposed to this action, I also am opposed to the lady being arrested.

What is your feelings on that?


I would say she should have been thrown out of the event, where she could continue to protest outside. When it comes to art or plays or literature, she was in the wrong to do what she did, but I think her arrest is overkill.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:48 AM
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a reply to: introvert

I support it too, but people don't seem to have the intellectual ability to argue without causing a mini war over their disagreements these days.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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You can liken acceptance of political violence to acceptance of a religion.

Religious people are all for a theocracy, as long as its with the right religion.

Christians don't want Sharia Law, and conservatives don't want liberal violence. However, in an awkward and ironic twist ... they'll form militias and stock up on ammo for a political revolution they agree with -- AKA "the right kind of political violence".

I think both the extreme ends of the political spectrum need to be taking a long and hard self-assesment at themselves.

Both the extreme right and left need to be asking if they're really so different from one another. Perhaps down very, very deeply they're actually championing the same kinds of ideas, they're just seeing it through slightly different color tints.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: SleepyDude
a reply to: introvert

I support it too, but people don't seem to have the intellectual ability to argue without causing a mini war over their disagreements these days.


Sleepy dude, I feel you. At least in username spirit.




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: SleepyDude
All this left right nonsense is giving me a headache. People are dividing themselves and setting things off. I don't think I really want to know what the world may become in another 12 years from now.


Given the trend, I would wager free speech will be a thing of the past. It's the one fundamental right that is being eroded the most.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: Kettu
You can liken acceptance of political violence to acceptance of a religion.

Religious people are all for a theocracy, as long as its with the right religion.

Christians don't want Sharia Law, and conservatives don't want liberal violence. However, in an awkward and ironic twist ... they'll form militias and stock up on ammo for a political revolution they agree with -- AKA "the right kind of political violence".

I think both the extreme ends of the political spectrum need to be taking a long and hard self-assesment at themselves.

Both the extreme right and left need to be asking if they're really so different from one another. Perhaps down very, very deeply they're actually championing the same kinds of ideas, they're just seeing it through slightly different color tints.


Totalitarianism is always the enemy, whether it is right or left. If the right/left political spectrum doesn't band together against totalitarianism, then there is no point in a right/left political spectrum. Totalitarianism will use that division to its advantage, and take over.
edit on 17-6-2017 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 12:59 AM
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originally posted by: SleepyDude
a reply to: introvert

I support it too, but people don't seem to have the intellectual ability to argue without causing a mini war over their disagreements these days.


No "buts". It may be difficult to support it for people you disagree with, but it is absolutely necessary. Free speech is what allows us to have different views in the first place.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm tending to agree on that seeing how things are right now. I won't be around for part 2 when it all goes south. I'm afraid for the younger crowd though, it's going to be harder for them than the last two generations.

Kettu: I'm certainly getting there too.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: SleepyDude
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'm tending to agree on that seeing how things are right now. I won't be around for part 2 when it all goes south. I'm afraid for the younger crowd though, it's going to be harder for them than the last two generations.

Kettu: I'm certainly getting there too.


I hope you are around for part 2. We cannot just enjoy our rights; sometimes we have to defend them from people who would take them away.

And you're right: it's going to be harder for the younger generation. But they are standing on our shoulders.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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As she interrupted the play, fellow blogger and conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec filmed the disturbance while screaming “Goebbels would be proud” at the audience.


I should have guessed. I don't know if it matters in discussing this in a general sense but this wasn't some sort of spontaneous grass roots action. Jack Posobiec is a professional political operative. In fact, he's a well funded agitator and hoaxer. During the election, he was paid by Patriotic Warriors which is a "Patriot Movement" organization started by a fringe Tea Partier and a 3%er who runs those armed "citizen border patrols."

He was the "Security & Special Projects Director" for Citizens4Trump. One of those "special projects" was this hoax he perpetrated with another alt-right media person:

Inside The Alt-Right’s Campaign To Smear Trump Protesters As Anarchists


But, BuzzFeed News has learned, the "Rape Melania" sign was not the work of an anti-Trump protester at all. Instead, according to sources, it was the brainchild of a group of Trump supporters led by Jack Posobiec, one of the organizers of the controversial DeploraBall inauguration party and a prominent figure in the pro-Trump internet.

Furthermore, as shown by a series of Posobiec's text messages obtained by BuzzFeed News and confirmed by a source who collaborated with Posobiec, the sign was the culmination of a disinformation campaign by Posobiec and others intended to paint the anti-Trump rallies as violent and out of control.

In a phone call with BuzzFeed News, Posobiec denied that the texts were sent by him and said that it was likely they had been photoshopped. He also denied having any involvement in the campaign.

BuzzFeed News reviewed the texts on a source's iPhone in Signal, the secure texting app, and the Signal messages allegedly from Posobiec came from the same phone number on which BuzzFeed News talked to Posobiec.


Remember his name, he shows up a lot in the thick of things because he's the one causing them to happen. Sometimes it's a stunt like this and other times it's a hoax like the "Rape Melania" sign. Sometimes it's stuff like this:


At 9:59 p.m. on Nov. 10, Posobiec posted a video to Twitter of an anti-Trump protester yelling "Assassinate that nigga." In a 10:30 p.m. text message that same night, Posobiec claimed that he'd started an "assassinate Trump" chant to goad protesters into copying him, with the intention of filming them:


Oh, and did I mention he was one of the principals behind pushing #PizzaGate? And he managed to get himself mentioned here:

Jack Posobiec, Rebel Media Washington Bureau Chief, Linked To French Election Hacking Scandal

I pretty sure from research last year that he was taking orders from Dan Scavino. Last month, he was given press credentials to the White House.

Commentator who amplified Macron hacks given White House press access


A U.S. far-right online activist credited with initially sharing on Twitter hacked emails from the French presidential campaign of centrist Emmanuel Macron is the latest conservative media figure to receive White House access from the Trump administration. Jack Posobiec, a Washington-based writer at the Rebel Media, a Canadian online political and social news commentary platform, attended the daily press briefing on Tuesday and later broadcast video from the White House grounds with positive commentary on President Donald Trump's abrupt firing of FBI Director James Comey.


Security researchers said Posobiec was the first on Twitter to use the hashtag #MacronLeaks, shortly after nearly 10 gigabytes of documents were posted on Pastebin, a site that allows anonymous document sharing.

Posobiec is also close on social media to William Craddick, founder and editor-in-chief of Disobedient Media. The two appeared to preview the Macron leaks, said Chris Doman, a British researcher with cyber security firm AlienVault.

On Friday, first Prosobiec and then Craddick began to dribble out hints on Twitter that a big stash of leaked Macron documents could be coming soon, Doman said. Disobedient Media tweeted 22 minutes before the upload to Pastebin instructing followers to "Fully Prepare for a major leak on Emmanuel Macron and his close associates. This is very big, folks."


There's a very high likelihood that he's now taking orders — or at least requests — from the WH as he coordinated with the Trump campaign during the election. Like I said, remember the name.

Anyway, just an angle I thought deserved mentioning.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:11 AM
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This my ATS friends is what makes ATS great. Bring back the old ATS.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Are we ramping up to an actual civil war maybe? Just a question, I don't understand it as good as some of you guys seem to.



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