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But isn't there a simple solution to free everything?

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:20 PM
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The federal government is the creator of money. So why not, create as much money as is necessary, for the budget in every fiscal year, to provide free everything? Never mind free healthcare, but also free food and drinks, free movie tickets, free housing, free electricity, free university and college, simply by borrowing all those trillions and trillions from itself, and then, poof, at the end of the year when the payment to itself is due, write off its own debt to itself? Isn't this the ultimate form of society? Complete socialism the way Karl Marx has envisioned? The way society is supposed to ultimately evolve into as predicted by sociologists? A society where there is no poor, no resentment, no taxation?
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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The problem is who would want to get paid the same amount for more work? Why go into a highly skilled field if it won't get you anything more than what a burger flipper makes? Why should someone flipping a burger make as much as someone performing heart surgery?

That is why it will probably never happen. I personally wouldn't mind it but I know tons of people who would mind it and fight against it.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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Then you'd get free inflation. Fiat (paper) money has no inherent value. The government cannot print wealth. You need to take some courses in economics.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Good point. Many countries have tried something close to socialism and none of them ever succeeded.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

No inflation. Government creates money. Government destroy money. The budget for each year is created at the beginning of the year, released to society to create services, and destroyed upon the end of the year.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
Then you'd get free inflation.





posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye



I'm not sure whether to laugh, cry, or look for Allan Funt to jump out and show me where the hidden cameras are after reading that suggestion. In a world where effort isn't rewarded and laziness isn't unrewarded, why would anyone put forth any effort at all? Why even bother with college if you're just going to get everything for free regardless? What possible reason would anyone have to ever do anything on a daily basis other than go fishing, go hunting, or space out in an Adirondak chair n the backyard munching on Funyans and sipping beers?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Do they even print money anymore? I thought it was all just "ones" and "zeros" in some secret data bank tied to Oil or chocolate chip cookies.


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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Not sure but when you go to an ATM machine they are supposed to have physical money ready for whatever amount you wish to take out of your bank account.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I personally wouldn't mind it but I know tons of people who would mind it and fight against it.


You would certainly mind it when you needed a heart surgeon and discovered there were none because there was absolutely ZERO incentive for anyone to take on such a stressful, difficult career and they all instead decided to take the low stress, no risk burger flipping "hobby" (called such because if all is free, then all work serves as is a passtime).



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

You could think of helping others as a rewarding experience for yourself. Karl Marx envisions a society where everyone works for everyone else. In today's society where technology is so advanced, 1 computer can replace every accountant out there. It is only the unions who are keeping a lot of jobs from being replaced by machines. In today's society we don't need everyone working. Only a small proportion of society working can more than supply everyone in society with goods and services. Remember the line the Three Musketeers. One for all. All for one.


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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: olaru12

Not sure but when you go to an ATM machine they are supposed to have physical money ready for whatever amount you wish to take out of your bank account.


That's not at all how fractional reserve banking works. All banks have "on demand" limits that only require them to hold a small fraction of their deposits as cash on hand. If all debit cards went heels to Jesus tomorrow, the banking industry would be crashed to dust by mid-day thanks to a serious shortage of physical cash.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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Probably could if we managed to automate many of the jobs and then people would just do the jobs they're passionate about e.g. I'm sure some people would want to be surgeons just because they want to help people and we could have something like mandatory training in 2-3 fields so you could switch between jobs (like a high value job and a low value job) and would have to perform the service for x number of days in a year for the system to work.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:41 PM
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I dunno, personal reward?

If everything was "free" then only the people who really wanted to push themselves for their own personal enrichment would do highly technical things.

In fact, I'd wager that their innate passion would yield incredible results.

It would take many generations of utter chaos for a culture/society to shift to something like that...to a culture where people do things not for monetary reward, but because they want to improve themselves and build upon their innate skills.

We're to primitive right now to see beyond greed, so for the foreseeable future this is not an option.

Unlimited money isn't how you'd achieve this either -- unlimited energy/resources is what a society would need. As it is, most greed can be reduced down to fighting over resource control. Trying to gain it, store it, hold onto it, trading it...



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

People inherently like to challenge themselves. It is the human spirit. No one is inherently lazy. Lazy people are really sick with disease and can't do as much as they like to do. Maslow's triangle tells us, when people satisfy their basic needs, they want to challenge themselves in the self actualization stage.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Like the people in Star Trek and their utopia post-scarcity economy?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Kettu

Archimedes didn't work for money. Archimedes worked for passion. So did Christopher Columbus. So did Einstein. So did Galileo. So did Gauss. So did da Vinci. All the best scientists and inventors out there are self actualized people who challenge themselves, not for money or wealth, but because they are driven by the human spirit.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or naive. The reason currency was created was to make it easier to barter for wants when an individual did not have a valuable trade/item/product to barter with another. The idea was the beginning of capitalism. It was a blessing for those who could not survive on their own but also allowed one to have more than simple necessities. One no longer had to provide for themselves 100%!

The currency was originally backed by an actual valuable asset. (gold,silver, actual commodity, etc.) eventually, it expanded to include future predicted assets. Naturally, predictions are not 100% surety...so the value has it's up and downs. Even so, our own government cannot just print paper willy nilly. It would not have any value. No difference from a farmer in the old days trying to barter corn to another farmer who has a surplus of corn already.

Society needs to realize that 'VALUE' is not given...it is earned.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: burdman30ott6

You could think of helping others as a rewarding experience for yourself.




Yeah, people are gonna bust their asses all in the name of the rewarding feeling of helping others. Sure. There's a reason bartering or some fashion of tradeable currency dates back all the way to caveman days, man. Taken as a whole, most humans don't do jack squat beyond the bare minimum unless there's some manner of tangible gain to be had. Regardless of these Star Trek sci-fi pipedreams of a future world with no barter exchange and everything freely given, it runs so opposed to essential and basic human nature, we will NEVER see it in our species. Truth be told, we'll never see it in any species. Even in the animal world, you don't see critters freely doing favors for each other unless they are searching for a mate, which is itself a manner of payment or tangible reward.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

Government could create sufficient money to provide for free social services. Once a service is done, the money that created the service could be poof destroyed by government.




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