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What makes white racism inherently a part of conservatism?

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't think it is an issue of covaervatism breeding white supremacists..

I think it is a purely American dynamic due to all the crazy segregation stuff.

The GOP turned against civil rights after losing a big election, and really they picked up the democratic trash.



Did they turn anti-civil rights, or did they just not bother trying to court blacks???

Like this whole thread is supposed to be about: I care not about if one party decided to try to appeal to one group or not, in terms of actual policiy and the actual stoking the flames of racism how does this fit into "conservatism" (which to ease the challenge lets go by Republican policies)?????

They they push racism, or did they just not bother appealing with one voter tribe or another?

While skimming thru the SoOuthern Strategy page, was it just southern Republican's that did whatever it is you have in youre mind they did, or was it all Republican's?

If it wasn't all republicans then wouldn't make it some BS the way lib's all seem to keep pushing this narrative that all racists are conservatives?


Has anyone ever even read a logical fallacy list? Because the hubhub that prompted me to make this thread drips and screams LOGICAL FALLACY ZONE.




posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:20 PM
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In short, it's not. I would argue that it's the opposite.

Racism, since it's beginning, has always been the belief that the human race can be subdivided into races. But even though scientific racism turned out to be a pseudoscience, it's legacy still lives on in the race and identity theories of those who push them the most. Nowadays, one little listen will prove who adopts that pseudoscience the most.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Do you have health insurance? If so then why not go the cheaper route with universal healthcare? You wouldn't be paying for anyone else's coverage with your taxes, you'd be paying for your own.

Also, insurance is socialist in nature with whatever money you put in being added to the pool of others with that insurance which pays for everyone's coverage within that pool. I don't see how universal healthcare is any different.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Metallicus

Do you have health insurance? If so then why not go the cheaper route with universal healthcare? You wouldn't be paying for anyone else's coverage with your taxes, you'd be paying for your own.

Also, insurance is socialist in nature with whatever money you put in being added to the pool of others with that insurance which pays for everyone's coverage within that pool. I don't see how universal healthcare is any different.


It is different in that you do not pay 30-40% more to cover the insurance company profit.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's basically a way for white liberal racists to cover up their own racism toward minorities.

In fact White Privilege to me means White Liberal Elite Privilege.

In fact here in LA , there are some minorities that have a deep hatred for white liberal racists. For example, in Beverly Hills I know a friend who happened to be of Guatemalan descent and he experienced racism from the white liberals living there.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Metallicus

Do you have health insurance? If so then why not go the cheaper route with universal healthcare? You wouldn't be paying for anyone else's coverage with your taxes, you'd be paying for your own.

Also, insurance is socialist in nature with whatever money you put in being added to the pool of others with that insurance which pays for everyone's coverage within that pool. I don't see how universal healthcare is any different.


Insurance is not socialist in nature.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Exactly. Insurance prices are gouged for the sole purpose of making profit. Sometimes the insurance companies will even fight you tooth and nail not to pay for the damages or sickness that occurs.

Insurance is not consumer friendly but the CEO's and boards of directors fix that with lobbying and propaganda.

Insurance is the worst form of socialism in my opinion.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
What makes white racism inherently a part of conservatism?


Liberal propaganda.

Even when there is a lack of white racist hate crimes they go out and stage them in mass to keep this fear mongering propaganda alive.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes it is. Money goes into a pool which covers everyone in said pool, that is how socialism works on a fundamental level.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

Well it’s based on their opposition to social programs that help poor non-white people. The irony is these programs also help poor white people


Actually, this is the true difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals think being on the government dole is good for people and helps them, conservatives think it holds people down and is bad for them. It really has nothing to do with race, that's just propaganda used to push a political agenda. Unfortunately people can't quit demonizing one another long enough to actually understand the POV of the other side.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Lots of policy amongst other things..

All the schools and confederate statues and such can mostly be traced back to the push back after the civil rights movement..

Most will have a date within 5 years of 1967.

Lots of voting laws and tests were implemented that were designed to discourage blacks from voting.


Few were on the national scale.. except for like the war on drugs and such.. but most were on the state and local level..

Hell Nixon's top aid admitted to demonizing blacks and hippies since they were his main political opponents.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes it is. Money goes into a pool which covers everyone in said pool, that is how socialism works on a fundamental level.


That's not socialism. Socialism is where the state owns the means of production.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes it is. Money goes into a pool which covers everyone in said pool, that is how socialism works on a fundamental level.


That's not socialism. Socialism is where the state owns the means of production.


That is just one form or aspect of socialism.

Socialism is also using the collective wealth of groups or communities to benefit a common good that would otherwise be difficult for each individual to achieve.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes it is. Money goes into a pool which covers everyone in said pool, that is how socialism works on a fundamental level.


That's not socialism. Socialism is where the state owns the means of production.


That is just one form or aspect of socialism.

Socialism is also using the collective wealth of groups or communities to benefit a common good that would otherwise be difficult for each individual to achieve.


I don't agree with that definition, but even so, that is unlike insurance. Insurance is a form of risk management.

Edit. Anyways. Much too far off topic, my apologies OP.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

And what is it that fuels the state? Our money and tax dollars.

The state is the pool that everyone puts their money into with the trust that the state will spend their money wisely and in the best interest of the members. The same goes for insurance, it's the same exact concept.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

And what is it that fuels the state? Our money and tax dollars.

The state is the pool that everyone puts their money into with the trust that the state will spend their money wisely and in the best interest of the members. The same goes for insurance, it's the same exact concept.


But the state doesn't necessarily own the means of production. Taxes have been around long before socialism.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes it is. Money goes into a pool which covers everyone in said pool, that is how socialism works on a fundamental level.


That's not socialism. Socialism is where the state owns the means of production.


That is just one form or aspect of socialism.

Socialism is also using the collective wealth of groups or communities to benefit a common good that would otherwise be difficult for each individual to achieve.


I don't agree with that definition, but even so, that is unlike insurance. Insurance is a form of risk management.

Edit. Anyways. Much too far off topic, my apologies OP.


Risk management is at the heart of socialist ideology.

Yes, it is off topic.

Perhaps another time.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DanDanDat

Except every white racist is conservative..and at least this election energetic vocal conservatives..

Not every conservative is a white supremacist of course , but the reverse is undeniably true.

The funny part is the reverse doesn't seem to hold true though...

Black panthers are not vocal liberals...in fact they could care less about any issue that isn't "black " centruc.






Thank you for proving my point.

There are plenty of white racist liberals in the world.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Been seeing this general noise for a while now. It goes hand in hand with SJW rhetoric for example. It seems to feed into their mentality that since they're against whites whom are racist against minorities that they themselves CANT be racist



Actually, on many occasions when leftists talk about racism, they talk about how all white people are racist, even themselves, and that it is ingrained in our society, regardless of being Republican or Democrat.

Usually, when someone says something like that, a thread on ATS pops up attacking the person.

Here, I dug up a sensationalist article written by a right-wing site.

Are All White People Racist? One Leftist School is Teaching This
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Here is an article that was written by a leftist site.


Enrique Cerna Credit: Alex Bergstrom Robin DiAngelo grew up poor and white. But it was years before she realized that despite living in poverty, she still had privilege because she was white.

“I had a very deep sense of shame and otherness growing up… But I had never looked at how, where in my life did I have an advantage? And where might I have been actually benefiting from the oppression of somebody else?” she says.



Q: Sometimes, in talking to someone who is white about issues of race, they say, I’m not racist. I think if you have to say that then maybe you have some tendency to be that way.

A: I’m hoping all the white people listening right now just heard you say that. It’s not convincing. So much of what we say, our claims, what we provide as evidence that we are not racist, it’s so problematic. It’s so unexamined. And it just isn’t convincing. What you’re probably thinking is, Uh oh, I’m probably interacting with someone who doesn’t have a lot of self-awareness.


Why white people can't face up to racism
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Oh no it was a purposeful demonization through speeches, policy and even people involved later admitting it..

Now I doubt seriously it was for racist reason on the parts of the arcitects. Most likely a pragmatic "hey all these ex dems are pissed about civil rights.. if we go anti civil rights too, we get all their votes and are back in the game?!?!"

I don't think any of the gerrymandering or weird ways they try to restrict voting of minorities is because anyone is racist..

I think it is purely political strategy..

80%+ of "X" voting block are voting for the opposition, so let's making it harder for them to vote is a net win for us.


If whites voted mainly dem I think they do the same thing in reverse.


From there it's a vicious circle..




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