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What makes white racism inherently a part of conservatism?

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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Been seeing this general noise for a while now. It goes hand in hand with SJW rhetoric for example. It seems to feed into their mentality that since they're against whites whom are racist against minorities that they themselves CANT be racist (like that whole line that 'blacks cant be racist'), although this isn't about that.

More and more I've been seeing in recent weeks (generally as a deflection in response to liberal violence & terrorism) cases of individuals with a history anti-minority racism and violent tendencies being propped up as like the ultimate proof that conservatives are violent racists.

What I don't get is where it is in the 'conservative manifesto' this whole notion is cemented as reality?

Note that I'm not even a conservative, I just call out fallacies and lunacy as I make note of them.

I have seen some of this data that the GOP back in like the 80's had a tendency to try to appeal to white voters. I'm pretty sure the one quote even mentioned something about acknowledging how the Democrat's were overtly targeting minorities for their voter base, and so the Republican's leaned more towards whites. But as far as my recollection whatever this manifested as it was a more subtle effect.

Who can even name what the 'face' of such an initiative even was?

Is merely appealing to one group or another really the stuff of the makings of a race war?

This whole inquiry brings up many other question such as:
How wasn't the Democrat's deliberately appealing to minorities also not racism?

Although more in the spirit of of this would be:
What policies have conservatives pushed & passed that hurt minorities and / or helped whites?

That's should be the big one, as it goes without saying the liberals have been for decades following this whole Critical Race Theory doctrine to the point of the "PC" dogma that has manifested from it. It's gone so far off the rails this decade that there's has been "open season on whites" on the streets with everyday liberals raging across the Internet in defense of the perp's out committing mob violence hate crimes and mass murder of whites & conservatives.

The logic seems to go that since the likes of the KKK tend to vote Republican that somehow it is a "part" of conservatism. Perhaps there is something to this I just havent gathered yet? Or could it be that since the anti-white racists (which includes actual whites) have made it a part of liberalism that its inherent in their minds that 'of course anti-minority racism is conservatism'. That wouldn't be a shock, afterall, as both liberals and conservatives are typically binary mentality types who prefer to lump all opposition into one nice neat 'other team' description, while in the case of the liberals no matter how ruthlessly racist they are in their minds as long as its anti-white racism then it doesn't actually count as "racism" no matter how vicious the resulting hate crimes that flow from their logic may be.

These are just my observations and the resulting questions from being tuned out of all things left / right politics and social media until one year ago, and then observing & debating everyone here in ATS on these matters.

What to make of all that that remains unseen, you tell me!
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Conservative liberal are BS terms anyway.
Most people are conservative on some issues and liberal on others.
On economic issues I would be classified as liberal on many social issues I would be called conservative: like on crime, abortion, morality.
Don’t like Hillary, Obama or Trump
On foreign issues I’m with Rand Paul, so where or what am I?
As for civil rights, I’d be called liberal

Now you want to know why some people think conservativism is associated with being anti-minority

Well it’s based on their opposition to social programs that help poor non-white people. The irony is these programs also help poor white people

Also often they go opposite of right thinking conservatives such as Ron and Rand Paul on foreign issues because of their too nationalistic approach and some racialist beliefs




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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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Now you want to know why some people think conservativism is associated with being anti-minority Well it’s based on their opposition to social programs that help poor non-white people. The irony is these programs also help poor white people


I am not opposed to the programs.

I am opposed to being forced to pay for them.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

What does liberal on civil rights mean? Does it mean that some people should be more equal than others?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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Why it's inherently associated? No. Somewhat recently associated? yes.

en.wikipedia.org...

I think the Southern Strategy has a lot to do with it.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: onthedownlow
a reply to: Willtell

What does liberal on civil rights mean? Does it mean that some people should be more equal than others?


No, it means that the government should in some instances and the society as well, should understand the historical realities of racism towards the minority population, and be aware of its pernicious impact on the people whose rights were denied for decades, including woman, who btw couldn’t even vote until the early 20th century.

Look after the historical inequalities in our system and through the system address these matters.

Historical examples

Housing discrimination,

employment discrimination

Educational discrimination

Deliberate segregation

Police brutality

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Willtell



Now you want to know why some people think conservativism is associated with being anti-minority Well it’s based on their opposition to social programs that help poor non-white people. The irony is these programs also help poor white people


I am not opposed to the programs.

I am opposed to being forced to pay for them.


You mean through the tax system.

Well I am opposed to paying for drones that kill children..

But what choice do I have but to pay taxes



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Because by definition CONSERVATIVES want to conserve the past.. well America has a very, very white supremacist past..

So by definition almost all of your American white supremacist will be conservatives.

That said the reverse doesn't seem to hold true..

Black panthers didnt support Hillary, but every kkk member supported trump..



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Thing with all that is, back in the day it was the Democrat Party pushing all that stuff.

They turn all Democrat Guilt and now we today are all supposed to pay for their sins (to the tune of civil war)?

And if we dont agree we say everyone should have equal rights then they brand as conservatives and label us racists. Effing BS.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
Why it's inherently associated? No. Somewhat recently, yes.

en.m.wikipedia.org...


You hit the nail on the head.

One of the reasons Republicans are perceived to have become attached to racism is because of the southern strategy, which employed changes in specific language as needed in order to hint at racist actions/ideals, while not being overtly racist.

But I don't think they are doing that anymore. There are leftovers still within the party that are products of that era, but it's not part of their agenda any longer.

In fact, until Trump came along, I think they were trying to step away from that.

Let's also not forget that we should not lump conservatives in with the Southern Strategy Republicans. True conservatives don't see race. They see freedom and that's it.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Because by definition CONSERVATIVES want to conserve the past.. well America has a very, very white supremacist past..

So by definition almost all of your American white supremacist will be conservatives.

That said the reverse doesn't seem to hold true..

Black panthers didnt support Hillary, but every kkk member supported trump..


You might have an argument with that top half, but that bottom line is a no brainer: whomever is pushing brazenly anti-white SJW stuff the KKK are inherently going to be against. You could name a scientific law / mathematical theorem after that effect.

The part I scream BS about is how whoever in response to SJW's they get behind then the lib's turn around and brand that person as being the likes of KKK.

The problem with that logic is everyone opposed to the SJW's are therefore likes of the KKK. And this is what I mean by "Binary Social Logic", which in this case is uber ironic considering the most hardcore binary logic types currently are the SJW's whom also scream that gender isn't binary. Snarf snarf.
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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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"What makes white racism inherently a part of conservatism?"

A Liberal with no arguments left?

Did I get the question right? What do I win?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: onthedownlow
a reply to: Willtell

What does liberal on civil rights mean? Does it mean that some people should be more equal than others?


No, it means that the government should in some instances and the society as well, should understand the historical realities of racism towards the minority population, and be aware of its pernicious impact on the people whose rights were denied for decades, including woman, who btw couldn’t even vote until the early 20th century.

Look after the historical inequalities in our system and through the system address these matters.

Historical examples

Housing discrimination,

employment discrimination

Educational discrimination

Deliberate segregation

Police brutality


Mmm, reperations? How would you apply those so that the equally affected received equal compensation?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Your statement that democrats, mainly from the south use to be the racists is true.

However, after the southern strategy that changed and those racists’ democrats turned into republicans because the Democratic Party through Johnson and Kennedy as democrats valiantly dealt with the racism through government intervention programs.

Naturally, the Southern democrats then joined the GOP.

An early poster mentioned this Southern Strategy



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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Okay so this "Southern Strategy", in what anti minority ways did it actually manifest in policy?

Like I asked, if the party that claims to be "conservative" happens to currently or in the past try to appeal to se whites well how does that makes all anti-minority white racists "conservative"?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Except every white racist is conservative..and at least this election energetic vocal conservatives..

Not every conservative is a white supremacist of course , but the reverse is undeniably true.

The funny part is the reverse doesn't seem to hold true though...

Black panthers are not vocal liberals...in fact they could care less about any issue that isn't "black " centruc.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: DanDanDat

Except every white racist is conservative..and at least this election energetic vocal conservatives..



And there's that absurd logic I alluded to above: only white racists of the anti-minority variety are to be considered "racist".

THAT is Critical Race Theory in action, CRT which by the way is the most racist an ideology possibly ever could be.

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posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I don't think it is an issue of covaervatism breeding white supremacists..

I think it is a purely American dynamic due to all the crazy segregation stuff.

The GOP turned against civil rights after losing a big election, and really they picked up the democratic trash.



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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Okay so this "Southern Strategy", in what anti minority ways did it actually manifest in policy?


It's not just about policy, but you could refer to the war on drugs and welfare issues as a start.



Like I asked, if the party that claims to be "conservative" happens to currently or in the past try to appeal to se whites well how does that makes all anti-minority white racists "conservative"?


Who said all anti-minority white racists are conservatives?



posted on Jun, 16 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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Btw it wasn’t only democrats who dealt with the historical racism, Eisenhower, a conservative republican, to his credit did this even before Kennedy and Johnson

en.wikipedia.org...



On May 17, 1954, the United States Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation of public schools was unconstitutional in the United States.[1] That ruling would focus the spotlight of national attention in the United States upon the Arkansas National Guard and the Integration of Central High School. The Arkansas National Guard was drawn into the conflict when Governor Orval Faubus ordered them to "Preserve the Peace" by turning away the black students who were attempting to integrate into Little Rock's Central High School. President Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted to this use of the Guard to foil the court-ordered integration by federalizing the entire Arkansas National Guard and using it to protect the nine black students integrating Central High School.


This is not a partisan issue, many republicans in the early civil rights era were very much on the side of many civil rights issues of the day.
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