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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye
This was in Massachusetts.
Yes it is. Is coerced suicide a crime in Mass?
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
You're not addressing the issue. The issue is whether she violated the law. She clearly did. The law for manslaughter doesn't require you to have physically committed the act that killed the person.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye
This was in Massachusetts.
Yes it is. Is coerced suicide a crime in Mass?
Yes. It is called involuntary manslaughter. As was decided in this case.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
This is a dangerous president. She is charged with manslaughter for no more than texting on a phone.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
You're not addressing the issue. The issue is whether she violated the law. She clearly did. The law for manslaughter doesn't require you to have physically committed the act that killed the person.
I still believe he was far more responsible for his death than she was and so this case does not rise to the level of criminal negligence.
I think it might be a set back for legal assisted-suicide/euthanasia laws, too. And I support the right to choose to die and seek assistance/support from family and friends.
There's just too much reasonable doubt that she is to blame for his death, IMO.
She does not come off as a caring friend. But she is the person he sought out in this decision that he made.
Commonwealth v. Godin, 374 Mass. 120, 126, 371 N.E.2d 438 1977). Involuntary manslaughter is “an unlawful homicide, unintentionally caused by an act which constitutes such a disregard of probable harmful consequences to another as to constitute wanton or reckless conduct.”
...the defendant owed a duty of care and that “wanton or reckless conduct may consist of intentional failure to take such care in disregard of the probable consequences and their right to care.” Id. at 397, 55 N.E.2d 902.
That's like saying the guy who hired a hit man to kill his wife is charged for "no more than hiring an employee".
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Involuntary manslaughter
1) An unlawful killing that was unintentionally caused as the result of the defendants' wanton or reckless conduct;
FindLaw.com on Invol Manslaughter in Massachusetts
Telling someone to get back in the truck and finish killing himself is reckless. She's guilty. It's black and white.
And that doesn't matter under the law. You're proceeding from a false premise here. All that matters is the law. The law doesn't say she has to have physically inflicted injury upon him. Stick with what the law says. If she behaved recklessly and that contributed to his death, she's guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Period.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye
This was in Massachusetts.
Yes it is. Is coerced suicide a crime in Mass?
Yes. It is called involuntary manslaughter. As was decided in this case.
This case wasn't decided by a jury though...she waived that right.
What is the case law before this one? I think having a judge decide this verdict is pretty f*cking awful and dumb, personally.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
Involuntary manslaughter
1) An unlawful killing that was unintentionally caused as the result of the defendants' wanton or reckless conduct;
FindLaw.com on Invol Manslaughter in Massachusetts
Telling someone to get back in the truck and finish killing himself is reckless. She's guilty. It's black and white.
What you cited does not consider someone who intentionally seeks out a person to encourage/support their own death.
It doesn't apply, IMO.
As you yourself stated earlier, personal feelings are irrelevant here. What matters is the law, and the law clearly has decided this was a valid case of involuntary manslaughter. Whether you or I agree with that decision is irrelevant.
Whether this should be a law is a different discussion, however. But it does not change the fact she committed involuntary manslaughter in the death of another person. She knowingly, wantonly, recklessly, and with total disregard for his safety caused the death of that person.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krakatoa
As you yourself stated earlier, personal feelings are irrelevant here. What matters is the law, and the law clearly has decided this was a valid case of involuntary manslaughter. Whether you or I agree with that decision is irrelevant.
Whether this should be a law is a different discussion, however. But it does not change the fact she committed involuntary manslaughter in the death of another person. She knowingly, wantonly, recklessly, and with total disregard for his safety caused the death of that person.
It's not my feelings that tell me she didn't kill anyone, nor did she cause the death of another person. It's the objective facts of the matter, whether it is law or not.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: face23785
Telling someone to get back in the truck and finish killing himself is reckless. She's guilty. It's black and white.
it's not black and white for the simple fact it was a suicide. Any and all injuries were self-inflicted.