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This List Of Attacks Against Conservatives Is Mind Blowing

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Grambler

I would not give Stalin more power. But you knew that.

Again, I shutter to think of how many people have been killed by the US over the last 30 years.

Are you OK with the people who are pulling the strings in the name of- having more power? Cause boy of boy do "they" got it.


No I am not in favor, and the best way to destroy their grip is a return to small government.

The larger the government, the more they can buy (or otherwise garner) influence and have undue control over the country.




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Seems like we can use the govt and corps interchangeably. I would prefer politician with a set start to bust up the monopolies.

This would in turn reduce govt. I think.

And you said one post



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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I mean it is not like the conservative side doesn't spread hate or anything, I mean where could all this be coming from, they are perfect little angels. *rolls eyes* LOL

Any violence is wrong but if you spend your time spreading hate, misinformation or propaganda, there will be some blow back sooner or later.

For years it has been the right who have had their crazies committing mass killings or injuring people, now karma is kicking in and now they know how the left felt when they were under attack.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Grambler

Seems like we can use the govt and corps interchangeably. I would prefer politician with a set start to bust up the monopolies.

This would in turn reduce govt. I think.

And you said one post

Hahaha!

Yeah you got me there.

Its a great conversation and could probably span over dozens of threads.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: thetruth2017

Source

Or it didn't happen



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: thetruth2017
I mean it is not like the conservative side doesn't spread hate or anything, I mean where could all this be coming from, they are perfect little angels. *rolls eyes* LOL

Any violence is wrong but if you spend your time spreading hate, misinformation or propaganda, there will be some blow back sooner or later.

For years it has been the right who have had their crazies committing mass killings or injuring people, now karma is kicking in and now they know how the left felt when they were under attack.


Please post your facts.

Again, I will post the thread a made that debunked the supposed studies on how bad right wing terror has been.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a post I did in response to the NLBS episode that used a study to show how bad right wing terror is.


This claim is based off of one study by Arie Perliger. I read much of the study, and I find that there are some problems with it when it comes to the OP video's suggestion that right wing terrorism is worse than other kinds. Taking the numbers at face value.

As Grimpachi stated, this article shows that since 1990, 670 people have been killed and 3,053 injured in attacks by far-right extremists in the United States. Islamic terrorist killed 2752 on 9-11 alone, so just looking at the numbers, this seems to show Islamic terrorism has caused more damage than right wing terrorism.

When you look deeper, you see that the statistics for what qualified as right wing terrorism were as follows


The dataset documents all violent attacks that: (1) were perpetrated by groups or individuals affiliated with far-right associations; and/or (2) were intended to promote ideas compatible with far-right ideology, based on the ideological analysis presented in the first part of this study



and


Data gathering was based on a variety of resources including relevant information drawn from the Global Terrorism Dataset; the SPLC hate crime dataset; informative reports by various relevant organizations such as SPLC, ADL, RSCAR; relevant academic texts; and various media source datasets, e.g., Lexis-Nexis



So any hate crime committed by a white person against a minority is considered right wing terrorism. The problem with this is that it is wrong to claim racism is just a conservative problem. If all white racists are to be considered right wing terrorists, then to be fair we should consider all anti white racists as left wing. In this case, all black on white violence such as the knock out game would be left wing terrorism.

If we do that, we see statistics that show that blacks are 27 times more likely to commit crimes against whites than the other way around. This seems to suggest left wing terrorism is a far more serious problem.

www.vdare.com...

I have no problem acknowledging extremist from all sides of the spectrum. I also think that these incidents are overblown by all sides, and this usually ends up in a stripping of our rights which I am vehemently against. I fail to see how the one sided approach in this video is helping stop this problem



www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=Grambler



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: fredrodgers1960

We are $20 trillion in debt because Bush got the deficit up to $1.5 trillion a year. Just so we could fight 2 wars.

Even with all the added social programs Obama got the deficit down to $500 billion. With Trump set to bring it right back up.

With socialism you can still have a capitalist economy. Only difference being that businesses would be employee owned and instead of our taxes going towards infiltrating other countries. It would actually go towards educating and healing our people. Which in turn creates a stronger workforce and ultimately more innovation. Which in turn creates more jobs, then more taxes paid to the government, which means more that can go towards society, and the cycle repeats.

You are correct in that socialism needs capitalism. Socialism in its truest sense simply means that society or the community as a whole owns the means of production and distribution. I.e. employee owned companies. Where all employees own stock and have shareholder voting rights.


Man, whatever you are smokin', you need to pass that around.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

FBI — The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States




In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country





Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.





Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.


Just to be fair.


The second category of domestic terrorists, left-wing groups, generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the “dehumanizing effects” of capitalism and imperialism. They aim to bring about change in the United States and believe that this change can be realized through revolution rather than through the established political process. From the 1960s to the 1980s, leftist-oriented extremist groups posed the most serious domestic terrorist threat to the United States. In the 1980s, however, the fortunes of the leftist movement changed dramatically as law enforcement dismantled the infrastructure of many of these groups, and the fall of communism in Eastern Europe deprived the movement of its ideological foundation and patronage


Right-Wing and ‘Radical Islamic’ Terror in the U.S. Are Equally Serious Threats: ADL Report (Exclusive)




They wanted to “wake people up.” Three men from a small militia group called The Crusaders gathered a stockpile of firearms, ammunition and explosives last year and plotted to load up four vehicles with bombs. Their target was a sprawling apartment complex in Garden City, Kansas, where many Somali immigrants live and pray. The militia members referred to Muslims as “cockroaches,” and wanted to kill the men, women and children who called the complex home in a large explosion. “The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim,” one of the men had told the others. They were arrested in October before the attack could be carried out. The incident in Garden City is just one of 150 plots and attacks compiled in “ A Dark and Constant Rage: 25 Years of Right-Wing Terrorism in the United States,” a new report from the Anti-Defamation League provided in advance exclusively to Newsweek. It makes clear that even as political rhetoric and public discourse focus on what the ADL report calls “radical Islamic terror,” there is a steady stream of violence carried out by right-wing extremists.


Again to be fair again.
Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2016




"Over the past 10 years (2007-2016), domestic extremists of all kinds have killed at least 372 people in the United States. Of those deaths, approximately 74% were at the hands of right-wing extremists, about 24% of the victims were killed by domestic Islamic extremists, and the remainder were killed by left-wing extremists.

The year 2016 was unusual in that right-wing extremists did not dominate the murder statistics, as they have each year for more than 30 years. Anti-government extremists and white supremacists were responsible for only a minority of extremist related deaths in 2016, though they did commit two triple homicides. These low figures also occurred during a year in which non-violent right-wing extremist activity was high, in large part due to agitation and propaganda by the so-called alt-right and other extremists in connection with the 2016 presidential election."


FACT CHECK: Is Left-Wing Violence Rising?




"But she says the Antifa shouldn't get a pass on their violence just because they oppose white supremacists."

"Still, their numbers are tiny in relation to the mainstream political left. And, say experts, it's misleading for right-wing groups to suggest that the Antifa are more violent than right-wing extremists."

""In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: thetruth2017

Boo.

Threats and actual attack.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: thetruth2017
a reply to: Grambler

FBI — The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States



Your first link is from 2002, hardly current.

It says right overtook left, implying left was there before right, hence making your claim of "left wing terror is just them responding to right wing" as bogus.

According to yu, this right wing terror in the 90's was karma for the left wing terror that the very link you provide claims.

Note your link also does not include groups like the Animal Liberation front as left wing, despite citing how much damage they have caused.


During the past decade we have witnessed dramatic changes in the nature of the terrorist threat. In the 1990s, right-wing extremism overtook left-wing terrorism as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat to the country. During the past several years, special interest extremism—as characterized by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF)—has emerged as a serious terrorist threat. The FBI estimates that ALF/ELF have committed approximately 600 criminal acts in the United States since 1996, resulting in damages in excess of 42 million dollars.


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Right-Wing and ‘Radical Islamic’ Terror in the U.S. Are Equally Serious Threats: ADL Report (Exclusive)



First, this link is considering 1850's KKK as right wing terror, that was big government democrats, so already this study is questionable.

Lets see how it defines terror.


ADL’s Center on Extremism defines terrorism as a pre-planned act or attempted act of significant violence by one or more non-state actors in order to further an ideological, social or religious cause, or to harm perceived opponents of such causes. Significant violent acts can include bombings or use of other weapons of mass destruction, assassinations and targeted killings, shooting sprees, arsons and firebombings, kidnappings and hostage situations and, in some cases, armed robberies.

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White supremacists involved in right-wing terror incidents include adherents of every major segment of the white supremacist movement, including neo-Nazis, racist skinheads, “traditional” white supremacists (such as Ku Klux Klan groups), white supremacist prison gangs, the religious sect Christian Identity, and the Alt Right.


www.adl.org...

Hmm strange they don't consider Hispanic gangs like MS 13 or black gangs such as the Bloods or Crypts as left wing terror.

Those "left wing terror" groups kill more people every year than the entirity of the people this study shows died.

Also it suggest that the majority of right wing terror incidents (in fat near all of the other incidents combined) were against government or LEO's.

Again, why no mention of black groups killing LEOS, especially in light of recent events?



Your thrid link is again from the ADL, referencing the same misleading stats.


Your forth link is citing numbers from....

Surprise, the same garbaage ADL report.

For gods sakes, how can anyone in good conscious cite white prison gangs as right wing terror, but not include black or Hispanic gangs as left wing?

See my post above about how insane the numbers for left wing violence would be if they included other races as left wing terror.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
Hmm strange they don't consider Hispanic gangs like MS 13 or black gangs such as the Bloods or Crypts as left wing terror.


Why would they? I don't think I have ever seen a latin or black gang espouse affiliation to left wing politics. They also don't seem to include white gangs that are not political. I don't see biker gangs in that list.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Grambler
Hmm strange they don't consider Hispanic gangs like MS 13 or black gangs such as the Bloods or Crypts as left wing terror.


Why would they? I don't think I have ever seen a latin or black gang espouse affiliation to left wing politics. They also don't seem to include white gangs that are not political. I don't see biker gangs in that list.



So a white gang member that hates the government is right wing, but a black gang member that believes in identity politics pushed by the left isn't left wing.

Gotcha.

In fact to add, show me what part of the conservative platform that white suprmacists prison gangs espouse.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
So a white gang member that hates the government is right wing, but a black gang member that believes in identity politics pushed by the left isn't left wing.

Gotcha.

In fact to add, show me what part of the conservative platform that white suprmacists prison gangs espouse.

That isn't what I said.

Black Panthers are obviously in that group. Crips and Bloods are not because they are not political.

I'm guessing that if "white prison gangs" made the list, while other "white gangs" didn't, there must be a similar reason.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Well, I think that is just how it works. Like when you're still small government and stuff there are still people who do it because they really believe this is how you make the world better and there are in fact things you can do that might help.

However, once you get to the big leagues it's all just a matter of Lobbyists and who's pocket you're in. Idealism and using Gov. for it's intended purpose just stops existing at that level. You're probably just considered a joke if you think that kind of thing is being done at that level so those people either just quit and give up or end up in a pocket like everyone else.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Grambler
So a white gang member that hates the government is right wing, but a black gang member that believes in identity politics pushed by the left isn't left wing.

Gotcha.

In fact to add, show me what part of the conservative platform that white suprmacists prison gangs espouse.

That isn't what I said.

Black Panthers are obviously in that group. Crips and Bloods are not because they are not political.

I'm guessing that if "white prison gangs" made the list, while other "white gangs" didn't, there must be a similar reason.


I see where you are going.

But to claim that being racist and wanting all others out of the country is a political belief seems silly to me.

Wouldn't MS 13 want lighter border control, therefore making them liberal?

Wouldn't black gangs want less police presence, making them left wing?

Its just seems silly that groups like the ADL and Southern Poverty Law center want to label any horrible white supremacists as right wing, but hesitates to label the other equivalents as left wing. Study after study does this.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
I see where you are going.

But to claim that being racist and wanting all others out of the country is a political belief seems silly to me.

I'm not sure that that is all it is based on. For example, there are members of the KKK expressing support of political figures. I don't think MS13 and the Bloods do stuff like that, they might but I am not sure.


Wouldn't MS 13 want lighter border control, therefore making them liberal?

Wouldn't black gangs want less police presence, making them left wing?

Its just seems silly that groups like the ADL and Southern Poverty Law center want to label any horrible white supremacists as right wing, but hesitates to label the other equivalents as left wing. Study after study does this.

They would all want the war on drugs to continue, their main money maker, so maybe they are all conservative.

Seriously, I think it is either bias or based on something else.



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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The Deep State is frothing at the mouth hoping for a civil uprising. Ushering in martial law and a complete Orwellian takeover. Though they need us to throw the first stone so they can maintain their illusion of moral superiority.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: HorizonFall

So is the mil indust complex.

Bullets sell for the same price in the US as in the middle east.



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

"Yes, much like conservatives did when Obama was elected"

I would like to see those stats



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: torok67

There are none.

It is a way of saying the conserves are idiot rioter too. We all know liberal-leftist dems riot, right-conserv repubs have revolutions.




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