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This List Of Attacks Against Conservatives Is Mind Blowing

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

I will look into that. Thanks




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MOMof3

Do you think giving the big middle finger to the Paris accord is a sign that perhaps the level of globalist is less with Trump?
I was surprised that Trump pulled out of it.

The weapons and the middle east is a mess, and pulling out of that mess really is not an immediate option. It would have to be staged or straight up talked about it like it really is- We want your oil, and we will kill as may of you to get it.


The typical liberal agenda, is to build a voting base that will keep them in office. That's the mindset, and that's how they want to shape the world.

Bush(s) and crew went into the middle east, thinking that they needed to do so, in order to make 100% sure that cheap oil, always remained in place, and that we had free access to it.

Unfortunately, they didn't finish the job (if you are going to do something, dammit, finish it!!) , and when Obama got in, he basically thought that, we've already done enough, let's pull out.

ISIS, patiently waited until the mass of soldiers and gear left, then started their offensives.

So, during Obama's years, he thought that things were stable enough, that "democracies" could be established so that leading ruling parties could take over the sheeple *in ways not available in the US, Republic of States", simple majority keeps the liberals in power. Paradise to them, no electoral college.

And, they just stood by as ISIS gained ground. They hoped that the local governments could handle the situations.

Leading us to today.

Socialism/liberalism does not work. They have tried and tried and tried to implement it in pockets of the world where they gained the upper hand. Chicago. Baltimore. Venezuela. The list is LONG and distinguished.

Show me a place where socialism/liberalism is actually working and everyone is prospering.

Not on this planet.

Fred.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: fredrodgers1960

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MOMof3

Do you think giving the big middle finger to the Paris accord is a sign that perhaps the level of globalist is less with Trump?
I was surprised that Trump pulled out of it.

The weapons and the middle east is a mess, and pulling out of that mess really is not an immediate option. It would have to be staged or straight up talked about it like it really is- We want your oil, and we will kill as may of you to get it.



The typical liberal agenda, is to build a voting base that will keep them in office. That's the mindset, and that's how they want to shape the world.

Bush(s) and crew went into the middle east, thinking that they needed to do so, in order to make 100% sure that cheap oil, always remained in place, and that we had free access to it.

Unfortunately, they didn't finish the job (if you are going to do something, dammit, finish it!!) , and when Obama got in, he basically thought that, we've already done enough, let's pull out.

ISIS, patiently waited until the mass of soldiers and gear left, then started their offensives.

So, during Obama's years, he thought that things were stable enough, that "democracies" could be established so that leading ruling parties could take over the sheeple *in ways not available in the US, Republic of States", simple majority keeps the liberals in power. Paradise to them, no electoral college.

And, they just stood by as ISIS gained ground. They hoped that the local governments could handle the situations.

Leading us to today.

Socialism/liberalism does not work. They have tried and tried and tried to implement it in pockets of the world where they gained the upper hand. Chicago. Baltimore. Venezuela. The list is LONG and distinguished.

Show me a place where socialism/liberalism is actually working and everyone is prospering.

Not on this planet.

Fred.


You and I agree on alot of what you wrote. I disagree with the socialism won't work. Capitalism won't and isn't working.
To ignore the fact that the government flavors are all full of rot and illegal influences is folly. I trust you can see the US is on a collision course with $20,000,000,000,000 in debt that we are allowed to know about. And this very well could crash the world, and yes that was done by capitalism.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960

I think most critical thinking people understand that utopia is a myth. I don't believe any human government is perfect. Which ones haven't been tried?

This country started its progress by giving away land practically free. That was socialism at its finest.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

It wasn't theirs to give.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MOMof3

Do you think giving the big middle finger to the Paris accord is a sign that perhaps the level of globalist is less with Trump?
I was surprised that Trump pulled out of it.

The weapons and the middle east is a mess, and pulling out of that mess really is not an immediate option. It would have to be staged or straight up talked about it like it really is- We want your oil, and we will kill as may of you to get it.



The typical liberal agenda, is to build a voting base that will keep them in office. That's the mindset, and that's how they want to shape the world.

Bush(s) and crew went into the middle east, thinking that they needed to do so, in order to make 100% sure that cheap oil, always remained in place, and that we had free access to it.

Unfortunately, they didn't finish the job (if you are going to do something, dammit, finish it!!) , and when Obama got in, he basically thought that, we've already done enough, let's pull out.

ISIS, patiently waited until the mass of soldiers and gear left, then started their offensives.

So, during Obama's years, he thought that things were stable enough, that "democracies" could be established so that leading ruling parties could take over the sheeple *in ways not available in the US, Republic of States", simple majority keeps the liberals in power. Paradise to them, no electoral college.

And, they just stood by as ISIS gained ground. They hoped that the local governments could handle the situations.

Leading us to today.

Socialism/liberalism does not work. They have tried and tried and tried to implement it in pockets of the world where they gained the upper hand. Chicago. Baltimore. Venezuela. The list is LONG and distinguished.

Show me a place where socialism/liberalism is actually working and everyone is prospering.

Not on this planet.

Fred.


You and I agree on alot of what you wrote. I disagree with the socialism won't work. Capitalism won't and isn't working.
To ignore the fact that the government flavors are all full of rot and illegal influences is folly. I trust you can see the US is on a collision course with $20,000,000,000,000 in debt that we are allowed to know about. And this very well could crash the world, and yes that was done by capitalism.


We are $20 trillion in debt because of the expanding and increasing social services and other "aid" that keeps getting added. Look at the inner cities of Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore. I'll stop right there, but that list is LONG and distinguished. How many people in these places are on some kind of social welfare/assistance and how many are actually working for a living and contributing to the tax base instead of sucking us dry?? We are also handing out the world BILLIONS of dollars a year to countries that, if we stopped giving them money, might actually need to look around and figure out how to make money themselves. This is money that we keep borrowing to keep other countries afloat. Let's cut that crap off right now, I am sick and tired of OUR money going to craphole places that just sit back and fork it in (with their politicians actually keeping most of what we are sending them anyway), instead of working to grow their own economies. We have created "friends" because without our cash, they have to actually DO something, which means we get their votes (if needed) at the UN. Figure out how to make your own money, and then let's TRADE. I'm tired of having "slaves" that just live off of us, except these "slaves" just want constant handouts.

Capitalism is what got this country to the point where liberals thought that they can just live off of the backs of past and future generations, with no repercussions. That's simply an impossible goal, and almost every socialist country on this planet is starting to learn that the hard way. That's good, because permanent change comes when PAIN happens, and not before. Well, the world is about to get a painful lesson, one that is decades overdue.

Without capitalism, there won't be enough revenue generated via taxes to support the social programs that socialism wants to keep running. Trying to keep the sheeple, voting them back in, and the sheeple are barely squeaking out an existence, but it's an existence that they have grown used to.

It's time for them to actually try to have an active role in their success, and the success of their own nations.

You have it bass-ackwards (spelled on purpose).

Fred.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960

Fred,

You can paint it with what ever excuse you want. The US is in deep deep Doo Doo. The gap between the elite wealthy and the normal unwashed is in 1920's range. The system is gamed and capitalism will end up driving us to the 3rd world war.
All govt's end up corrupt. To try to defend our system is fruitless, we give the money away to support the petro dollar.
I cannot say if the socialist countries are in worse shape than the US, but if they are I would be surprised.



But I support your right to keep cheer leading the super elite wealthy to continue their dominance.


edit on 17-6-2017 by seasonal because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower

Yes, much like conservatives did when Obama was elected, now it's the liberal's turn to loose their minds and act like children. I must admit that the left has gone way past the point that conservatives did though.



Lol the massive/destructive protests over Obama... really?

If we were talking about thieves the conservatives would have stolen a pack of gum while the liberals would have been bank robbers..well both are thieves...lol

In defense of the left I do think much of what we see today is moderate left as much as radicalized progressives born and matured under Obama where we saw the anti-cop movements, 99%ers etc. that all have regrouped with a new focused of their hate.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

Yes, much like conservatives did when Obama was elected, now it's the liberal's turn to loose their minds and act like children. I must admit that the left has gone way past the point that conservatives did though.



Lol the massive/destructive protests over Obama... really?

If we were talking about thieves the conservatives would have stolen a pack of gum while the liberals would have been bank robbers..well both are thieves...lol

In defense of the left I do think much of what we see today is moderate left as much as radicalized progressives born and matured under Obama where we saw the anti-cop movements, 99%ers etc. that all have regrouped with a new focused of their hate.


Definitely plenty of destruction during Obama protests, along with the racist and hate crime increases on campuses.

And it's pretty normal for college students to be involved in moronic behaviour and stupid protests is it not? Has been the 40 years I have been alive and I have seen plenty of earlier footage of stupid college kids and terrible politicians.


What has changed is the psyop the msm uses to plant narratives into the partisan minds of true believers.

It's an oligarchs country now. There is no right and left. The oligarchy has reached its full power.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Sources



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: fredrodgers1960

We are $20 trillion in debt because Bush got the deficit up to $1.5 trillion a year. Just so we could fight 2 wars.

Even with all the added social programs Obama got the deficit down to $500 billion. With Trump set to bring it right back up.

With socialism you can still have a capitalist economy. Only difference being that businesses would be employee owned and instead of our taxes going towards infiltrating other countries. It would actually go towards educating and healing our people. Which in turn creates a stronger workforce and ultimately more innovation. Which in turn creates more jobs, then more taxes paid to the government, which means more that can go towards society, and the cycle repeats.

You are correct in that socialism needs capitalism. Socialism in its truest sense simply means that society or the community as a whole owns the means of production and distribution. I.e. employee owned companies. Where all employees own stock and have shareholder voting rights.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

I will only make one post on this because it is not on topic.

Blaming capitalism for the economy implies that we currently have a capitalists system. we do not.

In capitalism, banks would not be bailed out, companies wouldn't be given constant favors by the government, small owners (like farms) would not have to go through insane regulations that put them out of business and favor corporate businesses.

It seems the more the government gets involved, the worse off we get. This makes sense, seeing as how every socialists country has collapsed. How are cuba and Venezuela looking?

If we allowed more free markets, and we harshly punished the extremely wealthy like the banks that broke the law as is called for in a truly free market system, we would be far better off. Allowing more government control (ie socialism) only allows for more corruption, like Bush and Obama bailing out bankers.

A true caputalistic system would not allow deficit spending, and we wouldn't spend trillions of dollars every year that we dont have. And where does this future money get spent, much of it on social programs (ie socialism).

This doesn't even get into a discussion of then horribly not free market principle of the Federal Reserve, and the problems it has caused.

So I think blaming capitalism is very misguided.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

That is for another topic. You can't change history.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Agreed. I hear the same thing said about socialism not working. Hasn't been done right yet.

In other words corruption is the "onion in the ointment".



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Grambler

Agreed. I hear the same thing said about socialism not working. Hasn't been done right yet.

In other words corruption is the "onion in the ointment".


Its not that socialism (and communism) hasn't been done right yet, its that it doesn't work.

50 Million killed in soviet Russia, Castros insane execution firing squads and horrible poverty, 100 million dead in Maos china, Venezuela and the insanity going on there.

Every example we are told, "well we need to try again it wasn't done right that time"

How many deaths will be enough until we agree it doesn't work.

In Venezuela right now people are breaking into zoos eating zoo animals because they are starving.

The soviet Union had to hand out fliers in the early parts of the 20th century that said "remember its not ok to eat your children no matter how hungry you get" Read The Gulag Archipelago that explains this.

The more power we give governments, the more corruption that comes with it.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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I don't think the number of deaths is or is not the bell weather to a success or a failure of an ideology. It is a side effect of corruption.

I shudder to think how many people have been killed in the last 30 years by the US.

And you are right, we are not doing capitalism correctly.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Grambler


I don't think the number of deaths is or is not the bell weather to a success or a failure of an ideology. It is a side effect of corruption.

I shudder to think how many people have been killed in the last 30 years by the US.

And you are right, we are not doing capitalism correctly.



Ok but if you feel that way, why would you want to give those responsible for those deaths more power, especially over the economy.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I would not give Stalin more power. But you knew that.

Again, I shutter to think of how many people have been killed by the US over the last 30 years.

Are you OK with the people who are pulling the strings in the name of- having more power? Cause boy of boy do "they" got it.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Grambler

Agreed. I hear the same thing said about socialism not working. Hasn't been done right yet.

In other words corruption is the "onion in the ointment".


Seems all good on paper but when those pesky human's get involved it fails...




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