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Why I decided to oppose universal healthcare

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye




goes against natural law.


and yet you say



If my kid has Down syndrome I send him or her to a special school.


You are trolling us aren't' you?




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Basic education up to age 18 is free, because otherwise society would not be functional. College education are not free. Professors unlike public school teachers are not government employees paid by tax dollars.

Healthcare is not necessary for society to be functional. The vast majority of people are healthy and don't need to see doctor. Only a few people are genetically vulnerable to disease and need to see doctor a lot.

Therefore basic education is a free service and healthcare is not a free service.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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People who are genetically good almost never get sick. People who are genetically bad get sick pretty much all the time.


This is the most subtly telling statement of the entire OP, yet has largely been ignored.

"genetically good"



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

The population in society follows a bell shaped distribution. Most people need to see the doctor about a couple of times a year. Some people need to see the doctor 0 times in years. Some people need to see the doctor dozens of times a year. Most people only need to buy a few off the shelf medicines from the drug store. Universal healthcare is not necessary for society to be functional. Defense, firefighters, police, public education are. So these are free services.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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Medicaid of Obamacare helped this disabled man go to college. If medicaid is phased out, he would not be able to study at college.

www.huffingtonpost.com...



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye




because otherwise society would not be functional. College education are not free


It was functional until the Rockeffelers pushed for all inclusive education in the early 1900. The Industrial revolution happened without free education.

You really haven't provided any reason yet as to why Education vs Free Healthcare is the ideal society. Your selection of species and going against god blah blah are weak attempts.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Incorrect. Public education for kids have been free for thousands of years. The kings and emperors of times past have decreed free education for kids.

www.psychologytoday.com...

The Little House on the Prairie depicts kids going to school for free.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I would look up the links to disprove you but it wouldn't matter because I know you're trolling - "free education for thousand's of years" yeah right



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The US always had free education for kids.

www.raceforward.org...
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

from your own source

www.psychologytoday.com...


The idea and practice of universal, compulsory public education developed gradually in Europe, from the early 16th century on into the 19th. It was an idea that had many supporters, who all had their own agendas concerning the lessons that children should learn.


You still haven't shown that universal free education has been around for thousands of years.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I quote.

Confucianism probably is the biggest influence in education of China throughout the entire history of China. A form of public education system was established later in Han Dynasty. Not only elites from upper class families can study in school, common man can also use education as a path to become a better man, known as gentleman.

www.chinaeducenter.com...

Basic education makes a man into a gentleman. Healthcare does not. So basic education should be free. So healthcare should not be free.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

from your link certain states had free education


1790 Pennsylvania state constitution calls for free public education but only for poor children. It is expected that rich people will pay for their children's schooling.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

That ensured everyone got education. Education is universal throughout US history. Healthcare is not universal anywhere in the world.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:48 PM
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This article argues why healthcare is not a human right. If it is, then so is housing, food, water, clothing.

www.washingtontimes.com...
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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I'm confused OP...

If you truly believe this, why aren't you walking into every hospital in your area and handing out pamphlets to all the patients?

You know - Explaining to them that they are not among the good healthy citizens, and they should just die so they aren't a drain on the system and society. Oh, and BTW.. GOD says so.

Because, right now, YOU'RE healthy... And that's all that matters.



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: allsee4eye

The private insurance industry IS privatized socialism.

Right now if you use any health care services, you ARE paying for the guys and gals who do not pay their bills and the cost of medical services is dragging the US economy down.


Difference being the "Private Insurance industry" is skimming all the cream off the top to get fat on... Where as a real UK style National Health Service (WHEN NOT MANAGED BY A SET OF WANKERS/TORIES) means all the revenue goes towards its purpose, The Health Of The Populace.



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Hazardous1408

God's law is natural law. Survival of the fittest. If it wasn't for survival of the fittest over the past hundreds of thousands of years, 99% of people would have to take medicine every single day, common flu would be lethal.




I thought this might interest you. It seems humans have been caring for the sick since we have been humans.

www.archaeology.org...



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
This article argues why healthcare is not a human right. If it is, then so is housing, food, water, clothing.

www.washingtontimes.com...



It IS a human right if you live in a civilized society. The best way to judge the merit of a society is how it takes care of its sick, its old people and its children. How can we say we live in the greatest country on Earth if we fail on these? Just asking.



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Those who won't look after the weakest in society (re:" If some poor people have genetic disease and needs to see the doctor a lot, why should I be forced to pay for his health fees"), are no friend of humanity.

It borders on sociopathic to measure the health of your people with dollar signs.


As long as murderers rapist are getting free complete medical care.... from dental to vision to cancer treatment. As long as people who sneak into this country get to have the American tax payer foot their medical bills instead of their home country...... I will have a serious problem with hard working American citizens having their lives ruined over medical bills



posted on Jun, 18 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
This article argues why healthcare is not a human right. If it is, then so is housing, food, water, clothing.

www.washingtontimes.com...


Housing, food, water and clothing are human rights.

Doesn't mean you get a beach house in Miami and latest Armani, but in most of the developed world a minimum standard of these things or at least the means to get them will always be provided.




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