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Why I decided to oppose universal healthcare

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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Full of #. Rich people are still rich even with all these taxes. They are still making buku more than everyone else. They are still living better than most of the greatest emperors and kings of old. Robbery my ass. The only ones doing the robbing are the like 50 some people that own more than half the wealth of the rest of the world combined. You want to find the real robbers of the world, look there.




posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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Broken bones don't come from lousy genetics of couch potatoes.


Doctors are filth though. Eugenics is the way. Unnatural selection is active. Wimps and manipulators at the top, strongest and most straightforward holding their tower up for them from the bottom.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Some people might say, if children receive free education from childhood to 18 with taxpayer money, then why is it not fair for everyone to cover everyone else's healthcare with taxpayer money? Everyone's kids need education, but not everyone needs to see a doctor. People who are genetically good almost never get sick. People who are genetically bad get sick pretty much all the time. That's why everyone are willing to pay for free education for everyone else, but not everyone is willing to pay for free healthcare of everyone else.

I've never been to a doctor all my life, so why should I pay for someone else who needs to and can't afford it?

*snip*

Maybe automation has been driving down the value of human individuals at increasing amounts? What humans are creating is outpacing their mass ability to adapt. The result is an increasing dependence on welfare programs and government. This doesn't mean some humans don't adapt. Some are. The masses aren't, so governments are growing.

That make sense, at all? It's just an idea.

The question is will this ever breakdown? And what new social or educational programs will be created to facilitate the decreasing value if it continues? If value is low enough, will our society become a collective, to protect itself from being overburdened? And if humans manage to increase their value enough, will they continue to be humans, or only remotely?

The other issue is how technology is shrinking our planet. The actions of a single individual to be dangerous, by contrast, are growing. It's like giving a loaded gun to a child. You have to enforce rules. A growing question in my mind is who or what will be making those rules?

Either way it seems unsettling. Either we lose lots of value and things get weird, or we change a lot and things get weird.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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Meh, I live in Canada and a relative of mine is a Doctor/Surgeon. He once went to work in a U.S. hospital and he had to leave because of how depressing it was when shooting victims couldn't be operated on due to them not being able to afford it. That is absolutely ridiculous. Genetics are perhaps favorable in terms of common illnesses however it doesn't make you accident proof. A competent government does not only lead with strength but takes care of the less fortunate. An example of this in biological evolutionary terms is how wolves or apes select the leader. They growl and puff up at eachother and eventually the weaker one rolls over and exposes it's neck saying yeah you can kill me. But the leader does not kill it because it can use it for the future hunt. A competent Ape that reaches the top of the hierarchy also is not the one who exhibits only dominance but will groom the females and children. Otherwise if an only dominant male would lead he would be taken out by two slightly less dominant apes. I don't think you are sociopathic or anything but rather you are simply self referencing your own life and projecting it over society as a whole. Egocentrism vs non empathic or maybe a little of both.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: IntimateCat

If you think shooting victims deserve free treatment, might as well think guns and bullets should be free too. In this world, the only way to make things free for people who can't afford them is to tax the rich. Americans didn't sacrifice tens of thousands of lives in Korea and Vietnam fighting socialism to adopt socialism.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

I don't understand your involvement of guns in reply to my comment. Or what point you are trying to make, can you clarify.

Edit: I think I get the gun thing. Very stupid. Health is a necessity guns and bullets are not.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: IntimateCat

The rich shouldn't foot the bill for the poor to get things they can't afford. America isn't a socialism country. Want socialism? Cuba is that way.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: IntimateCat

The rich shouldn't foot the bill for the poor to get things they can't afford. America isn't a socialism country. Want socialism? Cuba is that way.


Even middle class pays taxes , it's not just the rich. Funny how you mention socialism. America has elements of socialism too with a predominantly capitalistic economy. Canada also has more elements of socialism but with a highly capitalistic economy. Japan is capitalistic and has free healthcare. Listen the divide in politics among Canada and the US is predominantly a 50 50 split demographic of political platform so we have both sides implemented in society it's not about one or the other.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Because just like our conception and birth we are all tied to each other or to someone else. That is what makes humanity different from other species.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: IntimateCat

Police, defense, firefighters, education. These things benefit everyone. Free healthcare for the poor only benefit the poor at the expense of the rich. So why should there be free healthcare for the poor?



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: Kioko

I'm not tied to beggars on the streets. My life is not dependent on their survival.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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The only way for healthcare and college to be free social services like police, defense, firefighters, public school teachers is if doctors and surgeons and professors are government employees funded with taxpayer money.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: IntimateCat

Police, defense, firefighters, education. These things benefit everyone. Free healthcare for the poor only benefit the poor at the expense of the rich. So why should there be free healthcare for the poor?


It's for everyone. You think all rich people are okay with spending thousands on hospital bills. Wrong.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: IntimateCat

The rich never use Medicaid. Medicaid is only for poor people who can't afford it.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Hazardous1408

God's law is natural law. Survival of the fittest. If it wasn't for survival of the fittest over the past hundreds of thousands of years, 99% of people would have to take medicine every single day, common flu would be lethal.


Well I guess you're not Christian then,
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

The same argument could be used against your assumption that universal free education is good for society. You still haven't given any real reasons as to why a society should grant a free education for everyone.



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Education is free up to age 18. It provides basic education to everyone to be a functional individual. Healthcare is not necessary to make society functional. Almost everyone are healthy enough to not get sick. Only a few are vulnerable to diseases.
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posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:03 PM
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If that is case, I wouldn't want to save my kids.


LOL - now I know you're an idiotic troll



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

That still doesn't explain why YOU believe education should be free



posted on Jun, 17 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: IntimateCat

The rich never use Medicaid. Medicaid is only for poor people who can't afford it.


I'm not talking about Medicaid I'm talking about universal healthcare. I'm Canadian. Everyone is obliged to pay taxes except the poor who make less than 40k a year. I'm pretty sure Trump is implementing this same system as a part of his tax plan. Having universal healthcare doesn't turn you into a socialist country. Christ.



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